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Hi all,
Just uploaded another train, this time a Japanese
EF64. This had been sitting on my computer for ages as I had a couple of
problems with it, one of which was the door which I’ve now fixed using the fence
offsetting techniques discussed recently (yay for fences, see
here!).
The image clicks through to a high quality render.
BS Gallery
The train is BoBoBo and features a very basic BoBoBo frame which you can see in
the included MPD. Thanks must go to the person whose panto design I ripped off
(sorry, can’t remember the model or the builder :( )
Any comments appreciated!
Tim
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Hi all, • -snip-
The image clicks through to a high quality render.
BS Gallery
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Any comments appreciated!
Tim
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WOW what eye candy! Excellent!
e
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WOW what eye candy! Excellent!
e
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Is this your first post in .trains Eric? ;) Thanks!
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote:
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WOW what eye candy! Excellent!
e
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Is this your first post in .trains Eric? ;) Thanks!
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I founded .trains in this thread:
here in 1815...just after the
rail house was completed
I’d like to borrow some of your techniques so I can build 49 of the EF64’s
plus key colored left mini-fig arms, and street lights, in to the elbow.
Hahahaha.
I still think all the neat building techniques you used look great in blue.
Very nice.
e
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote:
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Hi all,
Just uploaded another train, this time a Japanese
EF64. This had been sitting on my computer for ages as I had a couple of
problems with it, one of which was the door which I’ve now fixed using the
fence offsetting techniques discussed recently (yay for fences, see
here!).
The image clicks through to a high quality render.
BS Gallery
The train is BoBoBo and features a very basic BoBoBo frame which you can see
in the included MPD. Thanks must go to the person whose panto design I ripped
off (sorry, can’t remember the model or the builder :( )
Any comments appreciated!
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Nice work Tim!. I love the details. And I am an especial fan of Japanese trains
so this one’s even more special for me.
Can’t wait to see more matching cars, if they are in the plan.
JB
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Nice work Tim!. I love the details. And I am an especial fan of Japanese
trains so this one’s even more special for me.
Can’t wait to see more matching cars, if they are in the plan.
JB
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Thanks. I don’t know what it pulls actually. If you have any idea (ie. links ;))
I’d be happy to make some cars to go with it.
Tim
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Tim Gould wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just uploaded another train, this time a Japanese
> <http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/53/26/2faa32ad233ca4a2bd9a39dfcbe1c3ad.jpg
> EF64>. This had been sitting on my computer for ages as I had a couple of
> problems with it, one of which was the door which I've now fixed using the fence
> offsetting techniques discussed recently (yay for fences, see
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/timgould/Trains/EF64/ef64panto.png here>!).
>
> The image clicks through to a high quality render.
>
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/timgould/Wallpapers/ef64_wallpaper.jpg
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/timgould/Trains/EF64/00.jpg>>
>
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=156946 BS Gallery>
>
> The train is BoBoBo and features a very basic BoBoBo frame which you can see in
> the included MPD. Thanks must go to the person whose panto design I ripped off
> (sorry, can't remember the model or the builder :( )
Look very good apart form the aspect ratio.
Are the real ones really wide or really low?
The base is cleverly done though :)
Any idea how the real ones work as I've never seen 3 bogies stock before.
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> Look very good apart form the aspect ratio.
> Are the real ones really wide or really low?
The real ones are quite wide (for a Japanese train). The length is too short but
I have something against Lego trains that go beyond 36 or so studs, they always
look too long to me so I always compress the 'belly' a bit.
> The base is cleverly done though :)
> Any idea how the real ones work as I've never seen 3 bogies stock before.
Afraid I don't know. I built it all from photos and didn't see any diagrams.
Many Japanese trains are BoBoBo as far as I know. Anyone else know?
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote:
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Look very good apart form the aspect ratio.
Are the real ones really wide or really low?
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The real ones are quite wide (for a Japanese train). The length is too short
but I have something against Lego trains that go beyond 36 or so studs, they
always look too long to me so I always compress the ‘belly’ a bit.
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The base is cleverly done though :)
Any idea how the real ones work as I’ve never seen 3 bogies stock before.
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Afraid I don’t know. I built it all from photos and didn’t see any diagrams.
Many Japanese trains are BoBoBo as far as I know. Anyone else know?
Tim
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Hello,
AFAIK, the BBB loco type is mainly used in Italy, Switzerland and... Japan :) at
the moment. The debate around CC or BBB loco types is a long lasting one around
railways engineers (BTW I’m not one of them). CC type is technically simpler to
build and eases the mass distribution on only two points. Conversely, the BBB
type is easier to run fast in curves because of the 3 short bogies. Possibly
this is the reason why it is still in use in mountained countries. But the mass
distribution for BBB types is more difficult to manage because you have three
points, which sometimes requires complex articulation systems for an optimal
adherence.
In France a BBB type loco was produced in 1948 and ran until 1967. It was the
only one ans was named BBB 6002. This loco was produced for comparison with the
CCC 6001 type at the same time, it is the reason why there was no BBB 6001 :) .
BTW I have tentatively produced the
french BBB 6002
loco some time ago. In Lego the problem of very short curves poses the technical
problem of shifting the
middle bogie under the body of the loco, as you noticed already.
You can find all the pictures
here.
Philippe “frogleap”
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Hello,
AFAIK, the BBB loco type is mainly used in Italy, Switzerland and... Japan :)
at the moment. The debate around CC or BBB loco types is a long lasting one
around railways engineers (BTW I’m not one of them). CC type is technically
simpler to build and eases the mass distribution on only two points.
Conversely, the BBB type is easier to run fast in curves because of the 3
short bogies. Possibly this is the reason why it is still in use in
mountained countries. But the mass distribution for BBB types is more
difficult to manage because you have three points, which sometimes requires
complex articulation systems for an optimal adherence.
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Thanks for the information Phillipe.
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In France a BBB type loco was produced in 1948 and ran until 1967. It was the
only one ans was named BBB 6002. This loco was produced for comparison with
the CCC 6001 type at the same time, it is the reason why there was no BBB
6001 :) . BTW I have tentatively produced the
french BBB
6002 loco some time ago. In Lego the problem of very short curves poses the
technical problem of shifting the middle bogie under the body of the loco, as you noticed
already.
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That’s a great BBB solution. In mine the train is only attached by the middle
segment and the other two move (quite far out around corners by some CAD tests I
did). Shifting the centre one reduces this problem significantly and will make
for a much better loco around corners.
Excellent!
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote:
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That’s a great BBB solution. In mine the train is only attached by the middle
segment and the other two move (quite far out around corners by some CAD
tests I did). Shifting the centre one reduces this problem significantly and
will make for a much better loco around corners.
Excellent!
Tim
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Hello Tim,
In the case of BBB 6002, I just placed the middle bogie free under the loco,
with plates on top. There are two rubber bands linking this central bogie to the
two others. It keeps the distance constant between all three bogies and
preserves the look. But if you remove the loco from the track, then you see the
dangling bogie connected by rubbers to the others :) If you need a picture,
please ask.
Your version of japanese BBB looks very nice and is full of details I like a
lot. Your solution of a motor bogie as the central bogie is smart, because the
loco. is self-sufficient. I mean, in my case, I must put a motor under the first
wagon of place this loco in tandem with another one, which is not always easy.
Perhaps we have to imagine a system with a shiftable motorized bogie :)
Thank you also to Tim (David) for the information about the shuttle BBB type, I
didn’t know that. Perharps because I should update from time to time :)
Philippe “frogleap”
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote:
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Look very good apart form the aspect ratio.
Are the real ones really wide or really low?
|
The real ones are quite wide (for a Japanese train). The length is too short
but I have something against Lego trains that go beyond 36 or so studs, they
always look too long to me so I always compress the ‘belly’ a bit.
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The base is cleverly done though :)
Any idea how the real ones work as I’ve never seen 3 bogies stock before.
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Afraid I don’t know. I built it all from photos and didn’t see any diagrams.
Many Japanese trains are BoBoBo as far as I know. Anyone else know?
Tim
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Hello,
AFAIK, the BBB loco type is mainly used in Italy, Switzerland and... Japan :)
at the moment. The debate around CC or BBB loco types is a long lasting one
around railways engineers (BTW I’m not one of them). CC type is technically
simpler to build and eases the mass distribution on only two points.
Conversely, the BBB type is easier to run fast in curves because of the 3
short bogies. Possibly this is the reason why it is still in use in
mountained countries. But the mass distribution for BBB types is more
difficult to manage because you have three points, which sometimes requires
complex articulation systems for an optimal adherence.
In France a BBB type loco was produced in 1948 and ran until 1967. It was the
only one ans was named BBB 6002. This loco was produced for comparison with
the CCC 6001 type at the same time, it is the reason why there was no BBB
6001 :) . BTW I have tentatively produced the
french BBB
6002 loco some time ago. In Lego the problem of very short curves poses the
technical problem of shifting the middle bogie under the body of the loco, as you noticed
already.
You can find all the pictures
here.
Philippe “frogleap”
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There are currently Bo-Bo-Bo (or B-B-B) locos running in France, the Chunnel
shuttle locos
Tim
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> There are currently Bo-Bo-Bo (or B-B-B) locos running in France, the Chunnel
> shuttle locos
> <http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/private/passenger/Eurotunnel/pix.html<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/private/passenger/Eurotunnel/AL_et_loco_g1.jpg>>
Well, I've never noticed that before.....
Thanks for pointing it out :D
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