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"John Riley" <Rohnjiley@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HIw6Dv.178o@lugnet.com...
> WARNING: I forgot to put a spoiler warning for those of you who have not • seen
> Animatrix or Reloaded yet.
<El Snippo>
neo's abilities in the real world made sense to me, if one cares to take a
very broad view of how he alters the matrix. through concentration, he is
able to bend the physics of the matrix (so he can fly, run on walls, stop
bullets, etc). it seems logical that these capabilities would carry over, at
a greatly reduced level, into the real world. (kinda like flight-training in
a simulator. you can't learn how to fly perfectly in a box on hydraulics,
but you can get a pretty good idea how to fly). and as stated in the first
movie, the human body produces a great deal of energy. neo simply
concentrated of projecting that energy from his body like a wall... and it
worked, but doing so sapped his body of the energy it naturally produces,
hence the coma. in the matrix, his abilities are like enetering cheat-codes,
but since the matrix emulates reality, he is in essence forcing reality to
accept his cheat-codes.
and on the subject of weapons, it makes sense to me that some hoverships are
armed, and some are unarmed. the Osiris looked like a much more substantial
craft than the Nebuchadnezzar, and if you recall from the first movie, the N
was built in the US (if I remember the inscription on the core correctly),
which would mean it has been around since before the second renaissance.
they were probably light military craft, with the osiris more likely to
encounter enemies, and thus was equipped to fight back while it was running
away. (I wish we could've seen the battle for Zion...)
anyway, just my $.02
-Anthony
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In lugnet.space, Anthony Babington wrote:
>
> "John Riley" <Rohnjiley@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:HIw6Dv.178o@lugnet.com...
> > WARNING: I forgot to put a spoiler warning for those of you who have not seen
> > Animatrix or Reloaded yet.
>
> <El Snippo>
ditto
>
> and as stated in the first
> movie, the human body produces a great deal of energy.
If I might interject and flog this dead beast some more, if there was fusion
energy available, why the need for humans? If the robots had fusion technology,
the only point in keeping people around would be as reactor fodder, NOT as a
source of power themselves.
> in the matrix, his abilities are like enetering cheat-codes,
> but since the matrix emulates reality, he is in essence forcing reality to
> accept his cheat-codes.
I'd agree with this more readily than anything else. But the biggest
question/problem for me is: Why do the agents have limited ammo? They're
programs. They should be programmed with unlimited ammo. Whether they operate
in the "real world" or not, if {everything} is part of the Matrix, and is, in
effect, a line of computer code, then the agents should have been able to have
unlimited ammo, and hence blown that wussy neo-Jesus Neo away. (Hooray!)
> anyway, just my $.02
>
> -Anthony
I'll see your 2¢, and raise you 4¢. ;)
Mike
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In lugnet.space, Michael Bosch wrote:
> If I might interject and flog this dead beast some more, if there was fusion
> energy available, why the need for humans? If the robots had fusion
> technology, the only point in keeping people around would be as reactor
> fodder, NOT as a source of power themselves.
If you think that's a problem, consider this. How much energy do they need
to produce to _feed_ all of those people? How much energy are those people
capable of producing? Where do they get all the extra energy required to keep
up with food production for their power-hungry "batteries"? Humans cannot
produce more energy than their intake, so they would actually cause a _loss_ of
power when used as batteries. Of course,t hat would pretty much blow the entire
purpose of doing the movie...
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In lugnet.space, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Michael Bosch wrote:
> > If I might interject and flog this dead beast some more, if there was fusion
> > energy available, why the need for humans? If the robots had fusion
> > technology, the only point in keeping people around would be as reactor
> > fodder, NOT as a source of power themselves.
>
> If you think that's a problem, consider this. How much energy do they need
> to produce to _feed_ all of those people? How much energy are those people
> capable of producing? Where do they get all the extra energy required to keep
> up with food production for their power-hungry "batteries"? Humans cannot
> produce more energy than their intake, so they would actually cause a _loss_ of
> power when used as batteries. Of course,t hat would pretty much blow the entire
> purpose of doing the movie...
My impression from the first movie is that after a human is no longer useful for
energy production, they are pureed and fed to other humans thru IVs. You still
have a net loss of chemical energy each generation though, since some carbon,
water, etc is lost due to breathing.
If the machines really do exist (i.e. there aren't multiple levels of the
Matrix), I'm surprised they haven't copied the humans and tapped geothermal
energy as a power source. While not limitless, it's darn close.
Using humans as "batteries" just seems so inefficient. To me, there must be an
ulterior motive to enslaving humans as such.
"Revelations" better come around full circle and answer these questions (the
title suggests so).
Time to plug back into the real world.
John
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John Riley's utterance expressed in news:HJ9AIv.22zx@lugnet.com:
> Using humans as "batteries" just seems so inefficient. To me, there
> must be an ulterior motive to enslaving humans as such.
This has been discussed a lot in the local danish movie-group on
usenet and the general conclusion is that the machines enslave the
humans partky for energy, but mostly for humiliating them. The
machines were exploited and mistreated by us - hence they want
revenge. We know that the machines have emotions - so it is not
impossible for them to feel hate, revenge etc.
> "Revelations" better come around full circle and answer these
> questions (the title suggests so).
Revolutions that is...
> Time to plug back into the real world.
This (usenet / LUGnet) is the real world!! outside is just a place,
a dreamworld where I can build with LEGOs :) *
Play on!
* allright.. just kiddin'
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Lars Gjerløw Jørgensen <lgjPURGE@jyde.dk> wrote:
> This has been discussed a lot in the local danish movie-group on usenet
> and the general conclusion is that the machines enslave the humans
> partky for energy, but mostly for humiliating them. The machines were
> exploited and mistreated by us - hence they want revenge. We know that
> the machines have emotions - so it is not impossible for them to feel
> hate, revenge etc.
"Partly" for energy wouldn't even work. We're *really* inefficient
batteries. But luckily, there's an even better possibility -- they're
using the humans as a big biological computer. A supercluster of neural
networks. They run the matrix to keep everyone's mind stimulated, and use
the rest of the CPU power for their own jobs. This is particularly cool
because it makes the behavior of the agents -- and Neo's powers -- make
more sense. If the Matrix were run on a big traditional binary-computing
mainframe somewhere, there'd be no need for a movie, because the sysadmins
would have just solved the problem.
--
Matthew Miller mattdm@mattdm.org <http://www.mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>
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