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Re: The Great Ball Contraption
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Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:09:54 GMT
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news-gateway@lugnet.com wrote on 01/07/2005 04:11:02 PM:

Should extra width be reserved around the in basket to
allow space for some sort of container to fit over the
basket with room for, say, tipping?

   At this point no - for one thing, the upstream module dumping
needs only have
an output 6 studs wide or so to make sure it all goes into the
downstream input
hopper. The only place I see a strong need for such "extra space" is if • one
robot tries dumping a standard crate into another standard crate (and in • the
Type I standard, we're avoiding the whole issue).

This was my *exact* reason for asking:  tipping containers.  If the tip
left to right (from their space to the next module's space), there is no
need for extra width:  you steal it from your own space..  But if they tip
from front to back (or some other sort of, say, flat rotation of a square
shape), there is.

In our test, when people dump, they usually dump onto a ramp in their own module,
that drains onto the next module.  Like on John's back hoe:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1049775

As you can see, it hangs over it's neighbor a bit.

Of course, if you ass-u-me anything about the neighboring modules you could run into
problems.

But, again with the flexibility of arranging modules, we'll be able to work around
most problems.

Steve


Subject: 
Re: The Great Ball Contraption
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Date: 
Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:15:55 GMT
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Russell Nelson <nelson@crynwr.com/nospam/>
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Steve Hassenplug writes:
> As you can see, it hangs over it's neighbor a bit.
>
> Of course, if you ass-u-me anything about the neighboring modules
> you could run into problems.

You can assume anything that's in the specification!  Speaking of
which, you should probably add a requirement that the top of the input
bin must always be unobstructed.  That is, the output part of a module
gets to do anything it wants with the space over the input part of the
next module.

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Subject: 
Re: The Great Ball Contraption
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Date: 
Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:58:36 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Russell Nelson <nelson@crynwr.com> wrote:

Speaking of which, you should probably add a
requirement that the top of the input bin must
always be unobstructed.  That is, the output
part of a module gets to do anything it wants
with the space over the input part of the
next module.

   Instead of that, just make sure that your module delivers through the "side"
of the downstream module's territory. In other words, using a chute (even a very
short one) is a pretty easy solution. And that way the standard isn't further
complicated. At least one practical reason for this is for a Type II
(crate-passing) standard, allocating the space above your neighbor's input crate
zone might really limit the solutions.

--
Brian Davis


Subject: 
Re: The Great Ball Contraption
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Date: 
Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:44:31 GMT
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Russell Nelson <nelson@crynwr.%stopspam%com>
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Brian Davis writes:

> Instead of that, just make sure that your module delivers through
> the "side" of the downstream module's territory.

Then the spec should say that the ball should go through a vertical
plane, and specify the size of the opening.

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