General Discussion : 34987


General / 34987

Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

There might be a few who disagree with me on this, but I think something needs to be done about this. I'm very tired of checking out the BrickShelf recent updates page to see it flooded with these annoying pixelated images. I think this is just as (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

"Jon Palmer" <jpalmer@oklahoma.net> wrote in message news:GpHyBK.9IL@lugnet.com... (...) Just to clarify. I'm referring to non-Lego Ebay pictures here. -Jon (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Matthew Gerber

<NOTE: I don't post or use avatars, and only enter this discussion as a busybody who should be doing other things, and to add luugnet.technic.bionicle to the header> (...) According to the TOS for BrickShelf, the folks posting their avatar images (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) something (almost) completely seperate from Lego. (...) Which by the way, had images of a nude woman, but as luck would have it the poster popped into out little chat, and got an ear full. :D (...) I've been talking with Jon. And he, like me, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

(...) my points. Maybe its time that Kevin re-evaluated some of the points of the TOS. (...) and (...) I (...) see (...) Seriously these images are BARELY Lego related. But besides that I think that completely flooding the Recent Updates with ANY (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Chris Maddison

<snip> (...) I'd just like to chime in here. While I agree with Jon's original post (that these avatar pics are getting very old), I also understand that they aren't doing anything wrong. I myself have a few non-lego related pics in my folder, but I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) How about a suggestion to Kevin that the recent gallery not get things sent to it unless the user explicitly checks a box to do it? That way when you reorged your folders it wouldn't cause flooding. (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Chris Maddison

(...) That's a good suggestion. Emailed to Kevin. Thanks Lar. -Chris (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Actaully, thats a very bad idea, here is why: These people make and upload these to be seen, thats the point of these things - to be used as an id for posts. Do you think that these people would mark a box that would basically keep them from (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Right. So if they're hosted on Brickshelf and thus appear as an ID on posts do they ALSO need to appear in "recent images" (...) Not following you here. Checking that box would not prevent the image from being served up, just from being shown (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kyle Beatty

(...) That's a great idea. One perhaps undesireable side effect is that some folders could lurk unnoticed. Two galleries to choose from? One the same as it is now and the other containing the volunteered new content. While I'm dreaming, why not a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —John Neal

(...) Well, while you were sleeping, Kev created such a gallery, as well as a most- visited files one as well-- check out the home page:-) -John (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kyle Beatty

(...) D'oh! (pause) D'oh! (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Bram Lambrecht

(...) Stop dreaming: (URL) ranked by newness and hits would be nice too (kinda like the LUGNET Spotlight). --Bram Bram Lambrecht bram@cwru.edu www.bldesign.org (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kyle Beatty

(...) I of course feel quite silly. Having recently USED those scripts. Eesh. "Ridiculous Lucky Captain Rabbit King. Lucky Captain Rabbit King Nuggets are for the youth!" (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Matthew Gerber

(...) While I do agree with you that the TOS may need to be re-looked at, I still would have to say that these avatar images ARE Bionicle (hence LEGO, by your own admission), and as such, allowable. And, while this may have been one of your points, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Rich Manzo

(...) That is just your opinion. What gives you the right to post what you want (a MOC, etc) and say that is more Lego related than what some person does with an Avatar which is nothing more than an image of a Bionicle character? Both are Lego. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kyle Beatty

(...) I am one of the few. But it's not a democracy, no one is counting votes. (...) Are they annoying because they are pixelated? (...) Why do you think that? How is it the same? (...) Is that supposed to be some kind of a favor to those who do (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Keir O'Sullivan

Well, my first post on the Bionicle boards, and I want to make a statement, for the one creating these images. I have posted LEGO space creations for quite some time and have been shawdowed by the images you post UP to five times a day. But also we (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Andrew Bulthaupt

Ok, if you didn't know this, most of the pictures are avatars for a message forum called Bionicle Zone. For some reason some of the members feel they need multiple avatars or they make many and let others use them. On Bionicle Zone avatars can only (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Keir O'Sullivan

(...) It is not though, fun blocking other peoples' creations. Mine were immediatly blocked as soon as I made them and most don't have any views. You could perhaps just go on with the website, as I have made many with Microsoft Frontpage and Flash, (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Keir O'Sullivan

(...) Now theres off topic pictures. Must I revive this post to send the message, Read ^. (23 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kevin Loch

(...) Don't worry. A solution was proposed, and will be implemented very soon. KL (23 years ago, 23-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) And who are you to even think about suggesting this? Are you an admin of brickshelf? (...) Whaa, whaa, whaa... Would you like some cheese to go with that whine? And this is comming from a person who is selling bionicle masks in his brickbay (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.technic.bionicle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> muttered in message news:GpI890.8D8@lugnet.com... (...) brickbay (...) of (...) I'm sorry, I didn't get a chance to read the rest.. I'd very much like it if we could ban Tom. I just cna't ignore him. -Jon (yawn..) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

(...) I of course typo my witty retort. Ah well. :-) More flamebait I suppose. -Jon (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) THANK YOU for proving my point even further! You are making this too easy! You should read the rest, maybe you will learn something! Grow up... (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Mark Sandlin

(...) My dad can beat up both your dads. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head -- Mark's Lego Creations (URL) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Paul Baulch

"Mark Sandlin" <sandlin@nwlink.com> wrote in message news:GpIBx2.FDz@lugnet.com... (...) easy! (...) Yeah, thanks for sharing, Evil Clown. (URL) member 164 (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Mark Sandlin

(...) ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head -- Mark's Lego Creations (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) *whoosh!* That's the sound of sarcasm going over your head. Jeff (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Paul Baulch

"Jon Palmer" <jpalmer@oklahoma.net> wrote in message news:GpI9wI.B8F@lugnet.com... (...) Find tolerance. Sorry for being so blunt, by the way. -- Cheers, Paul LUGNET member 164 (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Uh, ANYone can suggest ANYthing they want ANYtime they want. Wether Kevin decides to listen to him is another story. Jeff (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Yes Jeff you are indeed correct, you are a smart one - now maybe you will see that I did not say he *could not* suggest it... I was asking what his position was at brickshelf. There is a difference you know. And he was calling for them to be (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Your arguement makes no sense. If Jon were a Brickshelf Admin, do you honestly think he'd post a message like he did? Of course not! He'd just go ahead and ban them, or at least discuss it privately with the other Brickshelf Admin(s). (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Why? Because he does not like them? Why should these lego items be banned from a lego pic hosting service? Are they lego related - yes! He simply wants them banned because *he* does not like them! Is that mature? And as far as other options (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) He is well within his rights to ask for a ban on something he dislikes. Unlike many calls-for-bans, however, he actually has valid points. (...) Well, because they are barely related, and certainly don't add anything to the community; in Jon's (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) That is your right to think he has valid points, but that is not the point. (...) No, because children would see it - your example is a very poor one. These are as lego-related as the cad images. AFAIK there is not a way to do this in mclad or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Ah, I see. Validity doesn't enter into it when they have an opinion other than yours. Thanks for clearing that up. (...) It isn't a poor example, just an extreme one. (...) No they aren't. CAD and rendered images are used to show off models (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) I don't see how these images are abuse. The TOS only requires that images be related to LEGO products or be of general interest to the LEGO community. Unless one feels that Bionicle Zone is not part of the "LEGO community" I would think that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) My reasons for feeling they are abuse is due to the drowning out of content I, and other fans I speak to on a regular basis, am interested in, the bandwidth issues, and their general appearance. Frankly, I think they're ugly. I wouldn't (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Ross Crawford

(...) 12 year old BZ member: "This avatar I'm uploading takes up very little space, so it must be OK" Realistically, I don't think it's possible to come up with a guideline which allows the eg andersson and not eg (URL) I'd be disappointed to see (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) A small files that is loaded over and over again uses MUCH more bandwidth than a large image loaded a few times. (...) There you go, you got a guidline. :) Jeff (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Your felling they are abuse is because you do not like them, and they take up space for items you do like. Just so happens that there are many of these items you do not like. But they are lego related, like it or not - they are lego related (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJI02.2Iu@lugnet.com... (...) generate (...) Storing a file on a server takes up no bandwidth [1]. Accessing that file through the internet remotely does. Chat avatars are accessed much more than (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) And you have stats on what is being accessed how often? What takes more bandwith... a 3kb file being accesed 25 times on a 100+kb file being accessed two times? tom (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) 3kb files on a high traffic board such as that, probably get 100's of hits (each) EASILY. Whereas the 100k files are probably seen 5 times in the same timespan. Not to mention those 100k files eventually don't get seen ever again once everyone (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) Of course many of the repeat viewings will be satisfied from cache and will take very little Brickshelf bandwidth (some is still used to check to see if the file has changed). I'm afraid we will have to let Kevin publish some stats on (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Yes. I do dislike them. I dislike a number of other things, too, but I'm not calling for bans on them. Why? I don't think they are abuses. The basis for every complaint has been becausse of disliking something. Anyway, who are you to determine (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

<snip old convo> (...) Never said you could not ask for this ban. Please point me to where I did say that. (...) And I understand that. (...) lol, maybe not in that line but its what you are saying. (...) I agree with you 100% (...) Yes it does, go (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —John Rudy

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Inosanto writes: <snip> (...) Obviously, you don't. Have your own server host these erroneous bits of drivel if you do. (...) I don't think Jeff has to be told what he was saying, he's very competent. (...) This, (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) I still don't see how they are abuse (now if a single individual had uploaded say 1000 [or even 10] avatars each in their own folder so that they dominated the recent updates pages, that might be abuse). To be honest, I find the pages (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) I think it is abuse because it seems like they're always some new ones, usually in the same folders or by the same people, they are of no interest to *anyone* I know browsing the recent page, and they are not showcasing models or ideas or Lego (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kyle Beatty

(...) I missed the image. Was it a la 'American Beauty' ? Then you are right, that is more interesting. - Kyle (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

<snippage of old convos> (...) First of all, bandwidth is not your concern. No matter how you spin it, bandwith is not your concern. And that is not how this starterd, it started. This started because Jon thought they were ugly and was tired of (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) LOL, is anyone an admin of brickshelf? of course not, but I believe there should be. We need some people to weed out all the junk that gets posted on there. Now, whether these avatars are considered junk or not is up to Kevin. (...) I love (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) I thought Kevin was an admin of brickshelf, other than that I have no idea. (...) lol, so do I. Land of Lakes medium chedder to be exact `,D (...) So would I, I just found it ironic that he was talking trash about bionice (as well as the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Kevin is the Owner, Maintainer, and Administrator of Brickshelf. (...) Why is that Ironic? One doesn't have to like something to make money on it. Fads are notorious for being big money makers for a short period of time. Jon obviously feels (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Ouch, is that how you treat everything you do not like? Tell me, what product line of Lego do you like... lets trash that, as well as your work for awhile - ok?? Thats what you are doing here.... (...) If it is still there, then it is not (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpIFL7.MEB@lugnet.com... (...) view. Quality MOCs are being overtaken on Brickshelf because of the avatars. They're not permanently hidden, but they're pushed out of the way (and hidden from view (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) I was unaware you were appointed to determine what is quality moc's and what had a right to be on brickshelf.. And there is not an overwhelming amount of these images, thats just you stretching the facts to gan points for you. (...) Agreed, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJGnr.Ky4@lugnet.com... (...) news:GpIFL7.MEB@lugnet.com... (...) these (...) what (...) of (...) When did I say they didn't have a right to be on Brickshelf because of that? I was unaware I was (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Ouch! I had not heard that particular turn of phrase before and the vision it brings me is *not* a pain free one in any way shape or form. That is the only reason I set XFUT to .fun... to share that vision with y'all. If you feel like (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GpJzGt.3DJ@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) Are you saying you haven't heard the expression before period? I grew up with it myself. Translated 'la de frikkin da' or 'whoop de doo for (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Yes. Had never heard that particular one before. Period. Full stop. (...) Sounds like you had some family issues, either that or you put on a lot of airs... <grin, duck, run> (...) Oh, I grokked it, I just thought it picturesque speech... (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GpK0LK.6FL@lugnet.com... (...) LOL. I think the pain of pinning the rose on one's nose would override the temporary odor relief the sweet smell of the rose would provide. ;-) (...) (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Paul Baulch

"Tim Courtney" <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:GpJJ4K.5Du@lugnet.com... (...) Tim, your efforts in attempting to reply to _every_ single statement that "tom" makes have earned you the title of Tireless Rebutter: (URL) go to bed. Or to (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) Unfornently, NO, it's NOT! I don't know about you, but I prefer to hit that button once maybe twice to catch up on what I've missed. Now though, I find myself hitting the button 5 or 6 times. Granted that isn't a lot, but it all becomes very (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Tim certainly can determine what he thinks is a quality MOC. He could have dropped the word "quality" and it would have been valid. (...) You're right, Tim doesn't have the right to determine what is allowed on Brickshelf. He DOES, however, (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

<snipped alot of old convo> (...) Maybe to you, but does that mean it is valid in my eyes? Not saying it does not, but does it mean it applies across the board? No. (...) Yes he does, as do you. I never said you do not have that right. Can you show (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) Calling us immature and telling us to "grow up" doesn't insinuate that you believe we have no right? Fine by me, believe what you will, but don't lie about it. (...) Too bad, you keep saying the same thing over and over. Obviously we don't see (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) I find that your statements to the effect that Jon is immature for suggesting it means you feel he is NOT within his rights. (...) You're not getting the point. We want a change in TOS. We realize they do belong, we want that to change. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) I can only imagine you are confusing my opinion on avatar images (and I include all avatar images, not just Bionicle ones) with my opinion on Bionicle MOCs. I have not bashed any Lego line in this thread, nor have I bashed any MOCs. Whether I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Christopher L. Weeks

It seems that I might be stepping into a personality conflict between these two that pre-exists this discussion. Is that the case? (...) Too many capitalized words will dilute your point...whatever it was. (...) You go on to discuss how one makes (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

A technical argument against avatars could be made on bandwidth grounds. In fact, this is the argument bioniclezone.com itself gives against hosting avatars there directly. They can't afford the bandwidth that these avatars (which appear on every (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Rich Manzo

(...) It's not a problem, it is a choice. The free sites offer their service without stipulation for people to use. Brickshelf is there for all Lego aficionados. **Warning*** I am going off an a tangent- Lugnet has virtually ignored Bionicle fans. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Greg Majewski

<massive snip> Even though I think that the avatars are a waste and should some how be limited on Brickshelf, your post made a lot of sense. I agree completely with you on the points you made. But still, I do think that there needs to be a limit on (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jude Beaudin

(...) Five is a blatant series? Jude (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Um, no. The owner of BZ said he could not afford to continue hosting them and that avatars were high bandwidth. He called it a problem, in so many words. So it is a problem for someone. (...) As long as Kevin can *afford* it to be. It's not a (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) Yea, just look at the history of "serious" model railroading. Weren't there even some complaints about kits back in the beginning. There sure were a lot of complaints about the RTR (ready to run [out of the box]) models. Bachman's come a long (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) My question here would be whether folks would forget to check that the upload is significant on the one hand, and if folks would mark their avatars and other relatively non-interesting pictures as significant? Has anything ever happened with (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Rich Manzo

(...) Um, yes. The version of BZ that we are running now never hosted avatars. We offer standard avatars for all users to use, and if they want to use a custom avatar, then they have to find an external pic hosting site. Even members who pay do not (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"Rich Manzo" <Brickfan25@aol.com> wrote in message news:GpJ82H.HzC@lugnet.com... (...) Certainly does, if the avatars are the things flooding the server. Which, by several peoples' opinions here they are. (...) and (...) Now that's a legitimate (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) Funny, but using the same criteria, I could say I'm tired of all the same, boring castle creations that keep flooding BS. It doesn't mean I'm right, but I could say it. It's all a matter of opinion. -Dave (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) (URL) I think it's discontinued, based on two items: - no longer linked from the front page - my last donation isn't recorded in there ($25 on 2001-09-25) I wonder why it's no longer linked to, has Kevin entered a situation where he no longer (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) Replying to myself... This was perhaps an issue best left to an email to Kevin, which I have now sent. My apologies, Kevin, I didn't want to sound negative or cast any bad light on Brickshelf -- I think you're doing a great job! Cheers, - (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Michael Edwards

(...) giving (...) Do you seriously think young kids at 8-16 years willing to donate for something that is free? I don't think so. Bionicle is LEGO, and Brickshelf is a hosting site for LEGO Images, and its not making any money what so ever. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) I did. I knew other kids who did. My seven year old son is keen to pay his fair share for things (if he happens to have cash). (...) I might be the only one, but I don't get the sense of what you wrote here. (...) And? Chris (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jeff Stembel

(...) Sure. Many have, many do, and many will. (...) Actually, I believe Kevin has given some leeway in what is "of general interest to the fan community," i.e. one or two pictures of yourself are acceptable. I could see him allowing one or two (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Your evidence? (...) So would I, but these lego images are not abouse of anything. They are lego-related. If you are truly concerned about people blatantly abusing the TOS then go after the non-lego images, espically the ones that are 100kb+ (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Christopher Tracey

(...) When the Brickshelf gallery first opened several people were given admin access (mainly just being content cops). The major (possibly only) rule for filtering brickshelf was non-lego related pictures were not allowed. I only deleted pics a few (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) I'd agree except for one small consideration. These images don't generate cashflow of any kind. The Ebay pics do and offend me as well. (...) I hope not. ;) If you do, then I'll start in on my anti-castle crusade again. (...) There's no (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Mike Walsh

"Dave Johann" <legomecha@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:GpIJp6.874@lugnet.com... (...) I specifically asked Kevin Loch about hosting LEGO related pics for the purposes of using them in eBay auctions before I put my pictures on Brickshelf and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) That's fine. Others are doing it too and that's when the problem develops. Too many of the same type of image creates a glut of images that few pwople want to view, but are forced to see thumbnails of because they show up on the 'recent' page. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpI890.8D8@lugnet.com... (...) Who are you to chastize him for an opinion? The admin of LUGNET? (...) can't (...) brickbay (...) I imagine in Jon's opinion, Bionicle avatars are much different than (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jude Beaudin

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tim Courtney writes: <snip> (...) Pot, Kettle, Black! <snip> Sorry Tim, I could not resist. <grin> Jude (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jon Palmer

"Jude Beaudin" <shiningblade@rogers.com> wrote in message news:GpIxFx.Bxs@lugnet.com... (...) should (...) Hehe. Oh man you have no idea how much the creepy specter of Matthew (or whoever he is) still lingers here. Last night after reading Tom (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"Jude Beaudin" <shiningblade@rogers.com> wrote in message news:GpIxFx.Bxs@lugnet.com... (...) should (...) ROFLMAO!!!! :-D I still think your little web page was hilarious! -Tim (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

Boy Jon, you will attack me any way you can huh? first you call for me to be banned, then you think I am MM?? Give it a rest man, you came up with a very bad idea, let it go! And the `,D smileicon is widley used, maybe not here on Lugnet, but is (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) ummmmm... (...) So because something adds little value to you its ok to ban it? Hmmm, you know cad images add little value to me - so can we ban those while we are at it? (...) Not for the first goround, but for his second attack (as far as I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJFI2.GMx@lugnet.com... (...) news:GpI890.8D8@lugnet.com... (...) of (...) Well? (...) to (...) deal (...) If its a majority opinion that it adds little value and the admin of such free service (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tom Inosanto

(...) Do you really need my answer to that? (...) Like or dislike, adding alot of value vs. adding little value does not factor into it, they are lego-related images. Like it or not, they are. And Brickshelf is such a place to host Lego related (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJL5L.BLE@lugnet.com... (...) it, (...) And (...) Are you saying a majority opinion disliking the images would be irrelevant because they are LEGO related? Hypothetically, what if Kevin were to (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) You said it yourself: 'a near-exact representation of the real thing.' How many people can actually draw 'a near-exact representation of the real thing' even with the help of a painting/drawing program. Very few, and of those that can even (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

Hi Dave! Nice to hear from you :-) See you next month.... "Dave Johann" <legomecha@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:GpLDLH.5BB@lugnet.com... (...) But - does the Brickshelf viewership - at least those who do not like the images - need to be (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Bionicle Parts in LDraw (was: Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf) —Steve Bliss

(...) Please keep one thing in mind: the Slizer/Bionicle parts are some of the most ornate, detailed elements LEGO has ever produced. So it's little wonder that they aren't all modeled. But, a number of Throwbot/Slizer/Robo...r/Bionicle parts have (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Rick Hallman

I agree with you entirely. I check BrickShelf because some MOC's there are not posted to LUGNET... for this morning (9:30am EST), there were 7 avatar pictures/folders. Thats over 25% of the Recent page. There were 5 bionicle things that wern't MOCs (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kevin Zwicker

(...) <snip> How about if there was a box you could check when you upload new content that places the files in a theme section (Castle, space, town,etc). The "Recent" section could be divided by theme. For example, if I wished to upload my latest (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Jude Beaudin

(...) Kevin, I disagree with this suggestion. The one thing I like about Brickshelf is its lack of compartmentalized dorkedness compared to LUGNET. There are a lot of times that I see things that are interesting me that I would not go looking for. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Michael Edwards

Forwarded to lugnet.general (...) It's not a problem, it is a choice. The free sites offer their service without stipulation for people to use. Brickshelf is there for all Lego aficionados. **Warning*** I am going off an a tangent- Lugnet has (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Um, why? That is, why forward this particular post rather than making a statement along the lines of "hey general readers, there's a discussion that you ought to read and it starts here [cite to head of tree]" ?? Should everyone forward posts (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.terms)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Kevin Loch

(...) In case it's not already obvious, the Bionicle avatars and other images are LEGO related and are very much welcome on Brickshelf. Also, Ebay pictures, as long as they are of LEGO products have always been welcome. The Brickshelf gallery is a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Steve Runnels

(...) That, I could live with. :D (...) That's not such a bad idea either. Perhaps putting everything into a queue of some sort? That way it doesn't interfere with the "goal of keeping all content publicly visible". Anyway, this is about what I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Mohan Visvesvaran

In my opinion since the BionicleZone admin should just consolidate all the avatar pics he gets in one week and post them in a folder.That way there is still a forum for the pics to be published at the same time it doesn't clutter up space.I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

(...) That idea may or may not work, but its nonetheless important for the BZ admin to be responsible in references to Brickshelf. (...) I assure you CAD drawings are not endangered. It was brought up as a pathetic attempt of turning the tables on (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

(...) clearly doesn't belong on Brickshelf. NO LEGO related content. (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Gary E. Blessing

Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:GpKpyz.EAC@lugnet.com... (...) which has been removed since you posted this, as I get a 'Folder not found' page. Gary (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) Hmmm...does this mean you'd also advocate butting the Lugnet admins in charge of uploading all the MOC pics created by Lunget posters that week? That is effectively what you are asking the BZ admins to do. -Dave (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Dave Johann

(...) Grrr...'putting' is what it should say. -Dave (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Mohan Visvesvaran

(...) There is a big difference between the two in my opinion.The majority of folders/pics uploaded to Brickshelf by Lugnet posters are MOCs,CAD renderings things which "belong" on Brickshelf.They are the reason Brickshelf was created for in the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Tim Courtney

"Visu" <eng01241@NUS.EDU.SG> wrote in message news:GpLFKq.A8r@lugnet.com... (...) I agree. Though this is all subjective, an opinion, and making a value judgement, I feel strongly this way. The avatars are little images used for a chat forum, MOCs (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bionicle Avatar pictures flooding BrickShelf —Frank Filz

(...) Some thoughts: - Only show the highest folder (below the person's top level folder) which has content change. Thus if I create a folder "Bill's Castle" with sub-folders "exterior", "interior", "under construction" etc. only "Bill's Castle" (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.general)