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In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
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> > I believe the large Asain style spear/axe polearms are • shurikens...I could
> > be wrong though...
>
> No, those asian polearms are Naginata. Shuriken are • those little pointy metal
> stars everyone loved in the mid-80's. They can be seen • painted on the torsos
> of most Lego ninja, tucked in their belts.
That's right...throwing stars...I was pretty good with
those...I couold
almost play cricket or 301 with them)
I stand corrected = )
(I just couldn't think of the name...there is also a
Chinese variant that I
don't remember now either...amazing those things you
forget when you are
almost 31...lol)
> As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred • to as a "woman's weapon",
> because apparently they were often used by unskilled • warriors, like wives, who
> were left behind to defend the homes and land. At • least, that's what I've
> heard.
>
> eric
Funny...my teacher in college made a similar remark...He
uttered a Japanese
word that was roughly translated "peasant weapon".
Similar idea, he
described these weapons as being distributed to old men
or injured as a
means of defense. Essentially, these weapons gave the
weilders a small
chance of dismounting a horse riding assailant while
maintaining a distance
farther than a sword stroke (like any polearm)
John
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In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
> > As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred to as a
> > "woman's weapon", because apparently they were often used by
> > unskilled warriors, like wives, who were left behind to defend
> > the homes and land. At least, that's what I've heard.
>
> Funny...my teacher in college made a similar remark...He
> uttered a Japanese word that was roughly translated
> "peasant weapon". Similar idea, he described these weapons
> as being distributed to old men or injured as a means of
> defense. Essentially, these weapons gave the weilders a
> small chance of dismounting a horse riding assailant while
> maintaining a distance farther than a sword stroke (like
> any polearm)
As far I understood from my studies, the military history of medieval Japan is
basically divided into two sections, divided by the development of the
shogunate. The shoguns began to encourage sword-worship and a harsh division
between the samurai class and the rest of society, as a means of maintaining
the status quo.
In the period prior to this, there were plenty of women samurai, and samurai
training included the six standard martial arts: naginata, swordsmanship,
archery, unarmed striking, unarmed grappling, and horsemanship. It's common
in hero-literature of this period for a samurai to begin a battle by killing
some large number of enemies by archery until the arrows run out, then to kill
some large number of enemies with a naginata until the shaft breaks, and then
to draw his (or her) swords and kill a bunch more guys before the story can
proceed.
After the shoguns' stratification of society, women were strictly second-class
citizens, only samurai were allowed to carry swords and longbows, and naginata
were no longer considered noble weapons. The naginata were given to peasant
foot soldiers, and they continued to be a characteristic weapon of the warrior-
monks. Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great advantage
and became the first warlord to unify Japan. The End.
- Mike Rayhawk.
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
> arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great advantage
> and became the first warlord to unify Japan.
I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
Dave!
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
>
> > Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
> > arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great • advantage
> > and became the first warlord to unify Japan.
>
> I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
> use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
> thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
>
> Dave!
OOoooooOOoooo, hurl, puke, vomit.
Just for that, I'll ruin the joke: it was called a blunderbus (if you want the
shot-gun effect. A musketoon if you mean a short-barreled solid ball shooter.
Nyahh. :-)
Bruce
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
> > use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
> > thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
> OOoooooOOoooo, hurl, puke, vomit.
> Just for that, I'll ruin the joke: it was called a blunderbus (if you want the
> shot-gun effect. A musketoon if you mean a short-barreled solid ball shooter.
> Nyahh. :-)
I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
Dave!
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>
> I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
>
> Dave!
Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> >
> > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
> Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
And in later years gets implants.
Dave!
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message
news:G069wt.GDI@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> > >
> > > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
>
> > Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on • tv.
>
> And in later years gets implants.
I thought we were talking about Pikes not Spears.
-Jon
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Jon Palmer wrote:
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>
> "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:G069wt.GDI@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> > > >
> > > > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
> >
> > > Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
> >
> > And in later years gets implants.
>
>
> I thought we were talking about Pikes not Spears.
Let's give it up for Jon Palmer. That was one heck of a pun!
Dave!
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