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I got a request recently to say a few more things about LEGO windows. I
have to admit, though, that I don't know too much about the newer 1990's
windows, and maybe someone else can take the baton for Part 4 -1990's
windows (Town Jr.), for some of the really tall 3 pane windows, etc. I
just recently found out that Joshua Delahunty keeps up the Lugnet
Databases, (the proverbial keeper of the LEGO Ideology). Joshua is
probably more than qualified to take a stab at a Part 4 than I am.
(See bottom of document for accessing LEGO Window & Door History Parts 1
& 2.)
But anyway, what really got me fired up for Part 3 was an EMAIL from a
good LEGO acquaintance from Memmingen Germany named Kurt Richter, who
had an unusual find in Germany. That would be a 1x3x2 classic LEGO
window in BLUE!! I never knew they existed in that color. I thought
that the extent of the smaller blue LEGO windows were the 1x2x2 found in
recent sets (such as the Derby Trotter, and a few freestyle/basic
sets). If anyone can solve this mystery for Kurt (and the rest of us!),
please let us know!
Blue windows were made in the 1x2x2 size, the 1x4x3 window size (with
blue frames), and also in the "skylight" window in a similar size, as
well as the taller 1x4x5 window and the rare 1x6x5 blue windows (only
in space sets?). But I never knew that they were ever made in blue in
any other classic window size.
For blue doors, LEGO never made blue classic doors, but did make the
1x3x4 medium (1970's) doors/doorframes in blue (but they were never sold
with the same door and doorframe colors in the same sets). And then
there are the current doors, the 1x4x5 with a) the 4 window door, b) the
armor-guard and glass door, and c) maybe the all glass door (did they
make them in blue?).
On to a different color .... recently I saw a 1981 German LEGO catalog
with a DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn - the German National Railway) train car
with 1x2x2 grey windows. This was the only time I ever saw the 1x2x2
grey windows in a set. Were they only made for LEGO Trains?
And that leads me to a question about classic LEGO doors & windows.
Besides the 1x2x2 (which I have 2 of) and 1x1x2 (alas I only have 1 of
these), did they make any other classic window or door in black? I saw
some black 1x4x2 windows and several black classic doors in a Swedish
LEGO advertisement (I believe in Tore Eriksson's website), but have
never been able to confirm if they truly existed in a set. Anyone ever
recall seeing one?
I was recently asked "what would I consider the most valuable window
that LEGO ever made?" Well I thought about some of the scarcer blue or
black or grey windows, but then I realized that you could never really
do a lot with a limited supply of these windows. Ditto with the 1x6x5
windows, which they made in all the "off" colors (blue, yellow, black,
grey?). Yeah they are real rare (especially in yellow), but not
everyone knows about these.
(IMHO) that leaves me with one window that was made back in 1982 (to the
best of my knowledge they were only made in that one set in that
color).... the Town House (6372) set with the very rare 1x4x5 windows
(dead common in any other color) in YELLOW!
(I would even pay $20 per window for these!) Recently a Town House set
was bid up to $73.00, which was more than I wanted to pay for just 2
large yellow windows.
Someone else may have another candidate for most valuable window. (I'm
sure the train folks have a train window that can beat out this one!)
Some obscure classic window in black, blue or grey may be the true
rarest window, but if there's no demand for them (in the 90's) in that
color, then they aren't going to be the most valuable.
And that leaves another topic that I wanted to go over once more, namely
the classic LEGO windows "sill" versus "sill-less" windows. (This was
discussed at length in an earlier thread.) I have many examples of
the red 1x1x1 windows with and without "glass". Unless due to rough
play, all the "glass-less" 1x1x1 windows were those without the
protruding window sills. When the 1x1x1 windows went to the sill-less
style, LEGO eliminated the glass piece. Of the 300 red "sill-less" ones
I have, none have a glass piece.
With the red 1x2x1 (short and fat classic window) I noticed that all 150
of my "sill-less" windows DID have the glass. And with the red 1x1x2
(tall thin classic window - a favorite of a lot of people), I noticed
that of the 250 "sill-less" ones I have, about 150 had glass and 100
didn't. So these "sill/sill-less" and "glass/no glass" windows have
even more variations than we anticipated, namely the 1x1x2 "no glass"
variety.
For those of you that want to check out LEGO Window & Door History Parts
1 and 2, check here in DEJANEWS:
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=392187525&CONTEXT=907128958.1321140661&hitnum=11
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=393374372&CONTEXT=907129288.1392574708&hitnum=11
Well that's enough for now.
Please, if there is anything that may contradict me, or answers some of
these questions, please let us know!
Thank you,
Gary Istok
"In The Beginning ....... there was TOWN"
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In lugnet.build, Gary R. Istok writes:
> Thank you,
> Gary Istok
>
> "In The Beginning ....... there was TOWN"
A question about windows: In the late 80s I bought Calssic Windows packs from
S@H. The pack included 1x1, 1x2, 2x1, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4 and 3x5 red windows (I
think 2 of each). Do you recall the set numebr and piece count?
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Ed,
Yes, I bought that one too! Ugh, I wish I was home right now!
Scott Sanburn
Ed Jones wrote:
>
> In lugnet.build, Gary R. Istok writes:
>
> > Thank you,
> > Gary Istok
> >
> > "In The Beginning ....... there was TOWN"
>
> A question about windows: In the late 80s I bought Calssic Windows packs from
> S@H. The pack included 1x1, 1x2, 2x1, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4 and 3x5 red windows (I
> think 2 of each). Do you recall the set numebr and piece count?
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Gary Istok wrote:
>
> I got a request recently to say a few more things about LEGO windows. I
> have to admit, though, that I don't know too much about the newer 1990's
> windows, and maybe someone else can take the baton for Part 4 -1990's
> windows (Town Jr.), for some of the really tall 3 pane windows, etc.
> I
> just recently found out that Joshua Delahunty keeps up the Lugnet
> Databases, (the proverbial keeper of the LEGO Ideology).
That's not entirely true. I HELP with the LUGNET/Pause database. I
scour through old scans of different brochures, both those I own and
those from the 'net. I dig through folks' reference web sites, all in
the attempt to get the data on Pause as accurate and useful as possible.
There are actually 4 people who "maintain" that database; I just happen
to spend more time than I should doing it. :-)
> Joshua is
> probably more than qualified to take a stab at a Part 4 than I am.
Probably not. I'm not a Town Jr. owner in any great way. I can tell
you what windows exist and about when they were likely released, but I'd
be going off brochure scans and such. Out of all that's thought of as
"Town Jr.", I do think they've brought out a REALLY cool window in that
triple-angled thing that the latest large Police Station had on the
front of it. Definitely a PLUS to recent town releases. Of course, I
guess Extreme Team had them too, so you can credit TLG a good element
intro without admitting Town Jr. is anything but total crap (I don't
happen to think it's TOTAL crap).
> But anyway, what really got me fired up for Part 3 was an EMAIL from a
> good LEGO acquaintance from Memmingen Germany named Kurt Richter, who
> had an unusual find in Germany. That would be a 1x3x2 classic LEGO
> window in BLUE!! I never knew they existed in that color. I thought
> that the extent of the smaller blue LEGO windows were the 1x2x2 found in
> recent sets (such as the Derby Trotter, and a few freestyle/basic
> sets). If anyone can solve this mystery for Kurt (and the rest of us!),
> please let us know!
I haven't run across the 1x3x2 yet, personally. I haven't looked too
closely at the brochures though.
> Blue windows were made in the 1x2x2 size, the 1x4x3 window size (with
> blue frames), and also in the "skylight" window in a similar size, as
> well as the taller 1x4x5 window and the rare 1x6x5 blue windows (only
> in space sets?).
The 1x6x5 thing was a "Homemaker" invention. Wait. You knew that. :-)
You mean that only space had them in blue? That's possible. I haven't
yet delved into the Homemaker stuff, having just recently come off the
great Pause Trains reorg (and I'm spending some time decompressing from
that).
> But I never knew that they were ever made in blue in
> any other classic window size.
I can't find any offhand, other than the 1x2x2 that you mention (and
then only in one set).
> For blue doors, LEGO never made blue classic doors, but did make the
> 1x3x4 medium (1970's) doors/doorframes in blue (but they were never sold
> with the same door and doorframe colors in the same sets).
Hmm. I don't even know which sets you mean, I can't find blue in either
doors or door frames (1x3x4 size frame). But then, it's probably a
Universal Set that had them...
> And then
> there are the current doors, the 1x4x5 with a) the 4 window door, b) the
> armor-guard and glass door, and c) maybe the all glass door (did they
> make them in blue?).
Yeah:
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6683
(What do you mean by "armor-guard and glass door"?)
> On to a different color .... recently I saw a 1981 German LEGO catalog
> with a DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn - the German National Railway) train car
> with 1x2x2 grey windows. This was the only time I ever saw the 1x2x2
> grey windows in a set. Were they only made for LEGO Trains?
7740, perhaps?
No, I've not seen them elsewhere.
> (IMHO) that leaves me with one window that was made back in 1982 (to the
> best of my knowledge they were only made in that one set in that
> color).... the Town House (6372) set with the very rare 1x4x5 windows
> (dead common in any other color) in YELLOW!
> (I would even pay $20 per window for these!) Recently a Town House set
> was bid up to $73.00, which was more than I wanted to pay for just 2
> large yellow windows.
You should look into the frame/glass combination that came out to
replace that window. Also 1x4x5. Blue came in both
6542 Launch N' Load Seaport (3 of them)
9364 Dacta LEGO Hospital (10 of them)
Much more economical. :-)
>
> Please, if there is anything that may contradict me, or answers some of
> these questions, please let us know!
Not much help this time, I'm afraid, but $20 per window? Ouch. Find
someone with the Hospital and get more at once, at least! :-)
-- joshua
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In lugnet.build, Joshua Delahunty writes:
> Gary Istok wrote:
> >
> > Joshua is
> > probably more than qualified to take a stab at a Part 4 than I am.
>
> Probably not. I'm not a Town Jr. owner in any great way. I can tell
> you what windows exist and about when they were likely released, but I'd
> be going off brochure scans and such. Out of all that's thought of as
> "Town Jr.", I do think they've brought out a REALLY cool window in that
> triple-angled thing that the latest large Police Station had on the
> front of it. Definitely a PLUS to recent town releases. Of course, I
> guess Extreme Team had them too, so you can credit TLG a good element
> intro without admitting Town Jr. is anything but total crap (I don't
> happen to think it's TOTAL crap).
I'm sure most people would use the catalogs. If Gary actually remembers where
all the windows come from, I have one thing to say: I want your recall
capabilities! ;) Anyways, I'll just post corrections/additions when part 4
gets posted. ;)
>
> > But anyway, what really got me fired up for Part 3 was an EMAIL from a
> > good LEGO acquaintance from Memmingen Germany named Kurt Richter, who
> > had an unusual find in Germany. That would be a 1x3x2 classic LEGO
> > window in BLUE!! I never knew they existed in that color. I thought
> > that the extent of the smaller blue LEGO windows were the 1x2x2 found in
> > recent sets (such as the Derby Trotter, and a few freestyle/basic
> > sets). If anyone can solve this mystery for Kurt (and the rest of us!),
> > please let us know!
>
> I haven't run across the 1x3x2 yet, personally. I haven't looked too
> closely at the brochures though.
7760 "12V Electric Diesel Locomotive" is the set that those blue windows appear
in. It had two 1x3x2 and two 1x2x2 windows in blue.
> > Blue windows were made in the 1x2x2 size, the 1x4x3 window size (with
> > blue frames), and also in the "skylight" window in a similar size, as
> > well as the taller 1x4x5 window and the rare 1x6x5 blue windows (only
> > in space sets?).
6375 (Exxon) Gas Station had one blue one. Besides space, I don't think
anything else had them in blue.
> The 1x6x5 thing was a "Homemaker" invention. Wait. You knew that. :-)
>
> You mean that only space had them in blue? That's possible. I haven't
> yet delved into the Homemaker stuff, having just recently come off the
> great Pause Trains reorg (and I'm spending some time decompressing from
> that).
>
> > But I never knew that they were ever made in blue in
> > any other classic window size.
>
> I can't find any offhand, other than the 1x2x2 that you mention (and
> then only in one set).
>
> > For blue doors, LEGO never made blue classic doors, but did make the
> > 1x3x4 medium (1970's) doors/doorframes in blue (but they were never sold
> > with the same door and doorframe colors in the same sets).
>
> Hmm. I don't even know which sets you mean, I can't find blue in either
> doors or door frames (1x3x4 size frame). But then, it's probably a
> Universal Set that had them...
>
> > And then there are the current doors, the 1x4x5 with a) the 4 window door,
> > b) the armor-guard and glass door, and c) maybe the all glass door (did
> > they make them in blue?).
>
> Yeah:
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6683
>
> (What do you mean by "armor-guard and glass door"?)
This door appears in blue in 6349 "Holiday Villa" (Can't see it in the picture
in Pause and can't think of any other sets it appeared in). An example of a
white one is in 6360 "Weekend Cottage", and a yellow one is in 6391 Cargo
Center.
>
> > On to a different color .... recently I saw a 1981 German LEGO catalog
> > with a DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn - the German National Railway) train car
> > with 1x2x2 grey windows. This was the only time I ever saw the 1x2x2
> > grey windows in a set. Were they only made for LEGO Trains?
>
> 7740, perhaps?
>
> No, I've not seen them elsewhere.
I don't think they're in any other sets, unless it is some promotional set I've
never seen before. ;)
>
> > (IMHO) that leaves me with one window that was made back in 1982 (to the
> > best of my knowledge they were only made in that one set in that
> > color).... the Town House (6372) set with the very rare 1x4x5 windows
> > (dead common in any other color) in YELLOW!
> > (I would even pay $20 per window for these!) Recently a Town House set
> > was bid up to $73.00, which was more than I wanted to pay for just 2
> > large yellow windows.
>
> You should look into the frame/glass combination that came out to
> replace that window. Also 1x4x5. Blue came in both
> 6542 Launch N' Load Seaport (3 of them)
> 9364 Dacta LEGO Hospital (10 of them)
Gary is looking for the *yellow* versions of those. :) As he said, only one
set has them.
Your friendly Window-History-Post corrector, Jeff ;)
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> > > And then there are the current doors, the 1x4x5 with a) the 4 window • door,
> > > b) the armor-guard and glass door, and c) maybe the all glass door (did
> > > they make them in blue?).
> >
> > Yeah:
> > http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6683
> >
> > (What do you mean by "armor-guard and glass door"?)
>
> This door appears in blue in 6349 "Holiday Villa" (Can't see it in the • picture
> in Pause and can't think of any other sets it appeared in). An example of • a
> white one is in 6360 "Weekend Cottage", and a yellow one is in 6391 Cargo
> Center.
If I'm thinking of the same door, go to the official Lego web site on-line
catalogue and check out set # 5149 "Doors and Windows" (only available
through S@H) it shows a picture of all the major current doors with the
"armour-guard and glass door" being on the top, third from the left.
Silas
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Jeff Stembel wrote:
>
> In lugnet.build, Joshua Delahunty writes:
> > Gary Istok wrote:
> > >
> > > Joshua is
> > > probably more than qualified to take a stab at a Part 4 than I am.
> >
> > Probably not. I'm not a Town Jr. owner in any great way. I can tell
> > you what windows exist and about when they were likely released, but I'd
> > be going off brochure scans and such. Out of all that's thought of as
> > "Town Jr.", I do think they've brought out a REALLY cool window in that
> > triple-angled thing that the latest large Police Station had on the
> > front of it. Definitely a PLUS to recent town releases. Of course, I
> > guess Extreme Team had them too, so you can credit TLG a good element
> > intro without admitting Town Jr. is anything but total crap (I don't
> > happen to think it's TOTAL crap).
>
> I'm sure most people would use the catalogs. If Gary actually remembers where
> all the windows come from, I have one thing to say: I want your recall
> capabilities! ;) Anyways, I'll just post corrections/additions when part 4
> gets posted. ;)
I'm referring to actually owning the sets, versus sussing out what's
going on from brochure photos.
> > > Blue windows were made in the 1x2x2 size, the 1x4x3 window size (with
> > > blue frames), and also in the "skylight" window in a similar size, as
> > > well as the taller 1x4x5 window and the rare 1x6x5 blue windows (only
> > > in space sets?).
>
> 6375 (Exxon) Gas Station had one blue one. Besides space, I don't think
> anything else had them in blue.
3 sets is plenty, though, for such a rare styled element.
> > Yeah:
> > http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6683
> >
> > (What do you mean by "armor-guard and glass door"?)
>
> This door appears in blue in 6349 "Holiday Villa" (Can't see it in the picture
> in Pause and can't think of any other sets it appeared in).
OK, thought he MIGHT have meant the door with vertical slats in in, as
from the original yellow castle. Both 6067 Guarded Inn and 6355 Derby
Trotter had this in Blue. Also came (comes, as it's been reintroduced)
in Black, Clear, Pink, Red, and White.
> An example of a
> white one is in 6360 "Weekend Cottage", and a yellow one is in 6391 Cargo
> Center.
Hey, you missed the most interesting part: Unlike the non-barred version
of this door, it's almost always come in only a right-hand variety, but
the yellow one in 6391 is a unique LEFT handed copy!
> > > (IMHO) that leaves me with one window that was made back in 1982 (to the
> > > best of my knowledge they were only made in that one set in that
> > > color).... the Town House (6372) set with the very rare 1x4x5 windows
> > > (dead common in any other color) in YELLOW!
> > > (I would even pay $20 per window for these!) Recently a Town House set
> > > was bid up to $73.00, which was more than I wanted to pay for just 2
> > > large yellow windows.
> >
> > You should look into the frame/glass combination that came out to
> > replace that window. Also 1x4x5. Blue came in both
> > 6542 Launch N' Load Seaport (3 of them)
> > 9364 Dacta LEGO Hospital (10 of them)
>
> Gary is looking for the *yellow* versions of those. :) As he said, only one
> set has them.
Whoops. Misread stuff. The blue original style of this I only have
listed in one set as well: 1590 ANWB Promotional Set; I was only 1 line
off. :-P
One nice thing about the new version: It's come in Black, Blue, Green,
Grey, Red, and White varieties, so yellow is perhaps only a short matter
of time.
Then again, it looks like that element has been superceded itself by a
new Town Jr. version that has three panes to it. <sigh>
-- joshua
-- joshua
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Joshua Delahunty wrote in message <370486E1.7E921849@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu>...
> Hey, you missed the most interesting part: Unlike the non-barred version
> of this door, it's almost always come in only a right-hand variety, but
> the yellow one in 6391 is a unique LEFT handed copy!
Available in red too, again from the shop at home set number 5149 "Doors and
Windows". The set comes with a right hand and a left hand glass door, a
barred glass door, and the standard four window door, as well as various
windows (one of my favourite sets, being a town fan).
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Right vs. Left hand doors are another interesting LEGO variation (like the
classic window "sill" vs. "sill-less" varieties). I know that with the Classic
Doors (3 bricks high), the 3 colors they come in are red, white, yellow. Of
these I have both left and right hand doors in red and white, but not in yellow
(I have to check which ones the yellow doors are at home). If memory serves me
correct, the 4 brick high door from the 1970's were interchangeable - you
could put the door into the doorframe in either direction (this was a 2 piece
door).
Now with the modern 5 brick high LEGO door, I assume that all of the 4 window
variety and the doors with the vertical bars are all the same type? Only the
clear window variety door has a left and right hand doors - is that right?
(Since I only build in the classic LEGO scale, I don't use 4 brick or 5 brick
high doors).
Also, has anyone else noticed that the 1970's era 4 brick high doors look much
more like a window, rather than a door? I've used them as such. But I really
don't much care for them (architecturally speaking).
Gary Istok
Silas P wrote:
> Joshua Delahunty wrote in message <370486E1.7E921849@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu>...
>
> > Hey, you missed the most interesting part: Unlike the non-barred version
> > of this door, it's almost always come in only a right-hand variety, but
> > the yellow one in 6391 is a unique LEFT handed copy!
>
> Available in red too, again from the shop at home set number 5149 "Doors and
> Windows". The set comes with a right hand and a left hand glass door, a
> barred glass door, and the standard four window door, as well as various
> windows (one of my favourite sets, being a town fan).
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Gary Istok wrote in message <3708BF33.1D494467@umich.edu>...
> Right vs. Left hand doors are another interesting LEGO variation (like the
> classic window "sill" vs. "sill-less" varieties). I know that with the • Classic
> Doors (3 bricks high), the 3 colors they come in are red, white, yellow. • Of
> these I have both left and right hand doors in red and white, but not in • yellow
> (I have to check which ones the yellow doors are at home).
They did make them in yellow (I have some from the 1975 police station - set
#370)
> If memory serves me correct, the 4 brick high door from the 1970's were • interchangeable - you
> could put the door into the doorframe in either direction (this was a 2 • piece
> door).
They have done the same thing for the new junior freestyle 6 brick high
doors (6 bricks high and 6 studs wide, that's one big door!)
> Now with the modern 5 brick high LEGO door, I assume that all of the 4 • window
> variety and the doors with the vertical bars are all the same type? Only • the
> clear window variety door has a left and right hand doors - is that right?
As far as I have seen, thats right
Keep building!
Silas
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In lugnet.build, Gary R. Istok writes:
> For those of you that want to check out LEGO Window & Door History Parts
> 1 and 2, check here in DEJANEWS:
<snip>
> http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=392187525&CONTEXT=907128958.1321140661&hitnum=11
>
> http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=393374372&CONTEXT=907129288.1392574708&hitnum=11
<snip>
>
> Thank you,
> Gary Istok
>
> "In The Beginning ....... there was TOWN"
I am interested in reading Part 1 and Part 2 but when I click the links I get
*Invalid Document Request Unable to retrieve the requested document*.
Is there a copy of this info anywhere else?
tia
sheree
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