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Re: My Santa Fe Train Kit Theories // ignorance in lugnet.trains?
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Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:37:25 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Paul S. D'Urbano writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Bert Waters writes:
[snip] I have poured more than enough fire into the quality issue....
> This depresses me, too. This was my first LUGNET post and I believed the
> hype that this would be "the friendliest place on the Internet." Does that
> not apply to lugnet.trains?
> Paul
Hi Paul,
I think noone is ignored by the 'old train experts', but the online community
of Lego fans has grown to a size, where we older ones are not too enthusiastic
any longer, if a newbie pops up out of the nowhere and that may apear
like ignorance sometimes.....
I think it is hard for all sides: the newer fans feel ignored, the older ones
loose partly respect against newbies and each other or are just fed up with
all the online stuff. I cannot speak too much for Lugnet (not even for
lugnet.trains) but I have been a nearly first hour member of the 1000steine
board, and we survived similar processes of growth with temporary flame wars
and with subgroup building etc.
Just to share my personnel view about the growth process and its effects:
First every AFOL world-wide has been lonely and may have thought to be the
only adult in the world to play with / collect Lego bricks.
Then suddenly we met some other fans online and we were very enthusiastic
about that fact. You could share experiences, thoughts, pictures of your MOCs
etc. It was easy to feel enthusiastic: you and the few other AFOLs all
suffered under the same loneliness and the lack of interest against our hobby.
And so you accepted ANY new member into the community. You where not
interested, if the other one had 'stinking feet', was painting his bricks, had
high or low building talent or was even beating his wife and children. You did
only care if he was another AFOL next to you.
The community grew and first outlaws appeared: someone ripped off several
members out of the community via eBay. What happened? The community felt even
more welded together.
The community grew and suddenly there were old and new members. There have
been 'old members (maybe just 1 year a part of the community and newer ones,
who felt not really be welcome, although they have been sharing the community
for over 6 months then....). In a result a Who Is Who list was started in the
1000steine community. People learned more about each other and felt again as
one community for a while.
But with further growing the problems get/got worse. Newbies do not dare to
ask questions, halfolds do not dare to answer, because there are these old
experts in the background etc. And the newbies feel ignored since they come to
late to get into the 'inner circle' (there is a long time friendship of the
old first hour members and those will prefer to basically talk with each
other).
At some point even some of the old time members may become outlaws in the
community. Maybe a lack of character has been there for all the time, but in
the launching community nobody cared as written above, but then the
community is in danger to explode....
All these effects are very complicated (dynamics of a group of individuums)
and everything is under permanent change. But the result is for any community
nearly the same: at some time lots of old members are fed up and leave the
group. They may go into a subgroup or they may have all the contact persons to
live without any open community but they are in touch with lots of the old
friends via mail (I am in touch of lots of people that never do any public
posting any longer). That happened partly to the 1000steine community and lots
of the guys that were online in the days of rec.toys.lego.
And for a long time participant of the community like me this is maybe the
most hurting. We lost the cosy feeling we had when the community was young and
very open.
I hope my bad way of English has been clear enough to give you an impression
on my point of view. Do not feel ignored. Try to mix in in any interesting
discussion yourself, try to find people you like and you will soon feel as a
welcome part of the community. And if somebody seems to ignore you, do not
care too much about. Even a completely 'ignored' message here brings a few
hundreds of visitors to any given link you post. So you may get no feedback,
but despite of that your posting get read.
If you have seen 500 Lego engines in your live, it is hard to say some kind
words to a new designed one, that is not too far about the average level, but
still you have a look at it and may enjoy it very much. That may appear as
ignorance, but it is the way it is...
Kind Regards,
Ben
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| (...) Glad to know its not just me who was puzzled by this. (...) Man, every story I hear gets me more depressed! I don't own any ATSF stuff yet. I decided to wait for the cars to come out and an LD "kit" offer since my LEGO budget is limited. I now (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)
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