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Re: Commanche helicopter
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lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.military
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Date: 
Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:40:49 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Steven Lane wrote:
   The U.S army has cancelled the Commanche helicopter program.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aTaDFSD81RLI&refer=us

Which is a shame as I only saw one on the TV the other day.

They’ve also cancelled the rather cool crusader self-propelled artillery.

Steve

Correction: it’s the actual codename for this project is RAH-66 “Comanche”.

Also check out this great BBC article. And yes, I know the BBC is biased, but I think this article is worth a read.

While I have to agree with you (and my brother), that the Comanche was darn cool, this is not such a surprise for the defence industry.

Look at all the Blackhawks and Apaches that have been lost in Afghanistan and Iraq. A lot have been damaged by the simplest of weapons, namely the RPG-7 and assorted Kalashnikov rifles/machineguns.

Now, if the “armoured” Blackhawks and Apaches can be hurt by shaped-charge warheads, and 7.62mm+ calibre rounds, think what would happen if the thin skinned Commanche was struck by them?

I read here that there is high probability that the Hellfire missiles, even when stowed inside the helicopter can be hit by rounds and ignited. Imagine that! An anti-tank missile exploding inside an already frail helicopter!

Let’s face it, the “Comanche” and the “Crusader” are clearly project holdovers from the Cold War era. I mean seriously, how can an “Advanced Field Artillery System” (Crusader), that weighs tens of tons, and takes perhaps days to transport to a battlefield, be justified as a weapon to combat terrorism?

It is ironic actually. The American military says they need 7000 armoured HUMVEEs and more M4 carbines! Can you believe that while the Pentagon is wasting money on the “Comanche” and “Crusader” the US army and marines still have small-arms inferior to what the Germans, Russians, not to mention the terrorists are using? The M60 and M16 are fine weapons... But so much has advanced since their conceptions.

The results: The M60 (and M60E3) are both replaced by temporary foreign machineguns, the Belgium M240 and M249. Both are considered temporary. The M16A2 will be scrapped, and the German G36 inspired M8 (XM8) assualt rifles. And guess what? They’re using a brand new calibre: 6.8mm Remington. And they’re also developing a 25mm grenade launcher.

So do you see just how skewed the priorities of the US military have been? While the American soldier is one of the best in the world, why does the Army’s and Marine’s infantry get such outdated weapons? Why is money wasted on holdovers from the Cold War? What nation will even attempt to attack the US with its military?

Sorry for the rant, but maybe you’ll come away from this post a little wiser. I say that as the world’s greatest and only superpower, America should still be advancing itself, not just in high-tech weaponry, but the low-tech ones as well. Assymmetric warfare, much like other tactics in history, has changed everything.

Mladen Pejic



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The U.S army has cancelled the Commanche helicopter program. (URL) is a shame as I only saw one on the TV the other day. They've also cancelled the rather cool crusader self-propelled artillery. Steve (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.military)

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