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Re: John stole my AAT
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lugnet.starwars, lugnet.cad, lugnet.general
Date: 
Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:17:07 GMT
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Actually, my pic was not done in ldraw. I work on Macs and did mine in Gryphon
Bricks, which doesn't have a lot of lego pieces or options (anyone who'se used
it knows just how limiting it is). Once I clean out my apartment I'm getting a
PC so I can download ldraw (and play Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine.)

I had been working on an AAT for a while, but was never quite happy with it. I
saw some of those pics I think at Pats contest site, and just modified my
design by eye. As I was modifying my model of a Star Wars vessel with ideas
from someone elses it didn't dawn on me to credit you since you didn't create
the AAT's in the movie (if the model was something wholly original by you,
that'd be different-if I was just re-building a robot you made, then that's
clearly plagiarism.)

However, as a comic-book illustrator I know how frustrating it is when you see
other artists copying your own illustrations without giving you any credit (and
believe me, this is commonplace and for the most part perfectly legal), so I
will inform Tim at the site to credit your name with that picture. Sorry if I
offended you.

Or better yet, send him some pics of your models and he'll give you a gallery,
too. I think your AAT turned out better anyways.

-John


In lugnet.starwars, Mario Ferrari writes:
Hi Dö,

I understand your feelingsand share your points. When you find something
yours in another website it's incredible how much different you can feel
whether they give you the proper credit or not. The difference is as wide as
is being rewarded with or deprived of something.

The proper procedure IMHO would be

1) Ask the author via email for the permission to use some of his/her
material.
2) Give him/her proper credit and possibly a link (I too like the linkware
concept).

But I still can accept somebody skips the step #1 if complies with step #2.

Did you try to email him and ask for some explanation? After all there
*might* be one...

Mario

Web page: http://www.geocities.com/~marioferrari
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Ralph Döring <doe@gmx.de> wrote:
I just visited the FBTB site and had a look at the custom models. First I
thought: Wow a new Ldraw AAT by John P Green but then I noticed that this • is
mine !
See it yourself: The orginal AAT Pov-Ray at my site:
http://www.doe2.de/lego/aat_pov.html

and the stolen version from John:
http://collectibles.echostation.com/fbtb/jp.html

The difference is: I have multiple dat files for all hinged and turnable
elements. This is including the round front hatch (radar dish), the two
engines, the lasers (right and left arm), the back door, and the turret • (hope
this is the correct name for it). John has taken the main dat-file and
replaced all these files.

I have posted my dat files as well as a building instruction on my webpage • at
http://www.doe2.de/lego/datfiles.html
and you can see pictures of my model (all in white) I made before
http://www.doe2.de/lego/aat.html

Well, I think it is basically still my design and it would have been nice • to
ask before using it and putting a new name on it.
Pictures, dat-files etc on my webpage are free to use but I like Todds • idea
(can´t remember where I read this) of "linkware": if you use it in any way • on
your website, put a link to the site where you took it from. It´s for free • but
you pay respect to its origin.

Just my two Republic Credi



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  Re: John stole my AAT
 
Hello John, please excuse me for using the word "stolen". It looks like I wanted to say that you have done it on purpose. I think "nicked" would have been better. Gotta brush up my english. (...) Good point. This is why I wrote you "stole" my AAT. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.cad, lugnet.general)

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  Re: John stole my AAT
 
Hi Dö, I understand your feelingsand share your points. When you find something yours in another website it's incredible how much different you can feel whether they give you the proper credit or not. The difference is as wide as is being rewarded (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.cad, lugnet.general)

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