 | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | (...) Actually it does - barely. With the increased current, RCX output voltage drops, so does motor stall current. See these compared charts: (2 URLs) Philo (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Mr S
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| | | | Philo, That's interesting, and looks to explain why it is that I've never been able to observe the RCX output going to thermal or current protection cutoff? I've one largish sumo type bulldozer style robot with 4 treads that can easily push 4-5 (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | (...) It does happen - if you use more that 2 motors or if you try to use a RC motor. The driver circuit limits current around 500mA, and at that rate it is not long before going in thermal shutdown mode. (...) No, you won't see smoke... RCX motor (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | (...) A rather inventive young man that I know did try exactly that - using the ribbed tubing from the Mindstorms set inside the Mindstorms motorcycle tire. It's a good fit, and a good idea, but I'm not sure how effective it was. (...) One simple (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —steve
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| | | | | | (...) The problem is that this is measuring the static friction ("stiction"). That's the wrong thing to measure if your strategy is to jam all the motors full on and progress forwards (we hope!) with all wheels spinning. To measure the dynamic (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | (...) As you note in your mini-cooper example, *if* you can keep the wheels from "spinning out", but instead are always in rolling contact with the ground, static friction is what's important... and generally, the static coefficient of friction is (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | | (...) hmm. This sounds like a good project... (...) All things being equal, I'd put my money on the robot with ten spinning wheels, over a couple (or even ten) stationary ones. I'd also mechanically connect all the motors together, so they drive a (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll get to that, eventually... there's just too much fun stuff going on, and... (...) A historical point on this. The first time I met Steve was at a sumo event, where I had carefully calculated the correct gear ratio, given the torque of a (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —steve
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmm - that's unfortunate...but if the 'right' strategy is to go with a non-slipping robot, the measurement of sliption is really a lot less important. (...) Yeah - so many of those basic mechanics equations are only approximations - yet they (...) (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —steve
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| | | | (...) I would have expected that compression would be a good thing because it would increase the area of the 'contact patch' - which increases traction - which is a good thing - right? (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| | | | | | Re: Newbie needs Help (diff sensor) —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | (...) Not so obvious. If you increase the surface the pressure per surface unit decreases proportionnaly (at least on hard surface)... Actually I would expect little or no variation in traction power. Philo (18 years ago, 7-Jun-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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