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Re: Problems with science and metaphysics
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:34:16 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> I agree that religion isn't necessarily wrong - though it would seem the
> conflicting claims of the religions, not to mention the sects within the
> religions would indicate that somebody *is* wrong somewhere!
I perfectly agree, as was my point, I think-- it's not NECESSARILY wrong,
but I *think* it's wrong based on what I've seen...
> But then again, maybe every one of them is right (except for those claiming
> everybody else is wrong). :-)
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> Anyway, you are speaking on a hypothetical basis, and this involves
> something else than what I was dealing with, and requires a different
> approach on my part (dunno what it is, or even if I have an argument with
> you at this level).
That's kinda what I thought might be happening-- I.E. I'm taking the
absolutest of theoretical arguments, which, I think, are worth considering,
although they may not be actual use. That is to say, what if we looked on
this theoretical level and found out that religion WAS necessarily wrong?
Then we'd have gotten somewhere. But sadly (for my argument's sake) I don't
think anyone can 'prove' that the physical really DOES take precedence
necessarily over the metaphysical; or simply put, that the metaphysical is
variable enough to warrant lack of faith in its conclusions.
> Can't say that I'm any great shakes at mathematical theory, but it is viewed
> as something that would be universal with any advanced society.
Exactly. It's universal because it's defined that way. We (humans) defined
it with very specific rules, so as a result, it's universal, because it's
clearly defined. The universe, on the other hand, we DIDN'T invent, so we
kinda have to go figure out what we think the rules are... different realms,
I think...
Huh... so we actually reached an agreement other than to simply disagree--
who'da thunk it? :) Now if only I can do the same with a couple other people :)
DaveE
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| (...) No, it's universal because any advanced (I'm speaking extra-terrestrial) society is going to come up with the exact same rules. Different languages, different morals, different outlooks, different values, but the math will be the same. Bruce (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I agree that religion isn't necessarily wrong - though it would seem the conflicting claims of the religions, not to mention the sects within the religions would indicate that somebody *is* wrong somewhere! But then again, maybe every one of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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