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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:25:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> Steve: You seem to be set on directing your posts only toward a single
> recipient rather than answering questions and rebuttals from the readership at
> large. If this is the case, I urge you to pursue your discussion via email, or
> at the very least to answer some of the refutations of your claims here on
> LUGNET. Otherwise, you seem to be taking a head-in-the-sand approach to
> debate, and nothing constructive can come of that.
There were a fair number of responses, that may be daunting in their scope
or time involved. But yes, it was more than a comment in passing and he
invited debate on the subject of evolution. If he doesn't want to pursue it
further, I don't have a problem with that: no answer IS an answer. :-)
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Steve Chapple writes:
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> > Yet "your cohorts" present a theory for which there is scant
> > evidence as though it has been scientifically established as fact.
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> You're equivocating on the definition of fact. In science a fact is something
> which can be accepted per se because it has been utterly and clearly
> demonstrated to be consistent with an overwhelming body of evidence in
> preference to other interpretations. Evolution fits this criterion. Thus the
> theory can be invoked as a fact because it is no longer necessary to prove (by
> which I mean to demonstrate to be consistent with an overwhelming body of
> evidence in preference to other interpretations) the theory each time it is
> invoked. It is taken as a foundation piece of science.
Essentially, he is saying evolution isn't science, but at the same times
betrays he doesn't understand what science is, and then equates science and
religion as the same thing.
> However, this is not to say that the theory is immutable or impervious--far
> from it, in fact; the point of science is to advance constantly our
> understanding, ever modifying our theories to describe an ever-increasing body
> of information. That is why evolution is accepted as fact, and it is why, even
> if evolution as a theory is supplanted by some larger, more complete theory,
> until that time it is still sufficiently verifiable to be accepted for all
> intents and purposes as fact.
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> > A complex creation doesn't require an intelligent creator? That's one of
> > the things that truly baffles me about people who believe in Darwinism.
> > If I told you that the <set:8002> sitting (assembled and functional) on
> > my desk wasn't created by me out of parts created by TLC...
Evolution does not address God. That's one of the things about Creationists
that baffles me - they seem to think it does. It neither confirms nor
denies God. In any case, what appears random to science presumably is not
to God (omniscient). I've mentioned before that my mother was a physical
anthropologist and a Christian and didn't seem to have a problem with it.
Darwin, by the way, studied theology in college. :-)
Kinda addressed this to both of you simultaneously - should be obvious where.
Bruce
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| (...) Just to make sure to clarify that; while no answer may in fact BE an answer, it ISN'T an answer as it relates to creationism vs. evolutionism, which may be what you're implying. The only answer it gives is that Steve doesn't WANT to debate the (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Steve: You seem to be set on directing your posts only toward a single recipient rather than answering questions and rebuttals from the readership at large. If this is the case, I urge you to pursue your discussion via email, or at the very least to (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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