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Subject:	Re: guns, guns, guns (was: demographics (was: My Gun Control Rant))
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:57:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: > My guns are owned in part so that I can assist the revolution if I should > decide that that is the right course of action. Are guns necessary for a revolution? Perhaps non-violent movements can more effectively create social change: Gandhi and post-colonial India, South Africa in the past decade. Interestingly both these countries have examples that show how a culture of violence can become the norm, with no "gains" to anyone involved (India's conflict with Pakistan over Kashmir; tribal/gang/poverty related crime in SA). Even if guns are necessary for a revolution, are they sufficient? 1. Chris points out his right to choose to join the revolution or not. The USA is much more culturally diverse now than it was at independence. Would the armed population be united against an illegitimate government? Would the Klan and the Nation of Islam find enough common ground that they would forget to hate each other? And even if they did: 2. Would the world's most powerful military force be deployed against its own citizens? Could this actually happen? And what would happen if it did? --DaveL

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		Re: guns, guns, guns (was: demographics (was: My Gun Control Rant))
(...) Very true. I’d like to add to the list much of the eastern European states which have “come in from the cold”. It is a gross generalisation, and I hope I do not offend anyone, but much of these popular uprising have been against oppressive / (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: guns, guns, guns (was: demographics (was: My Gun Control Rant))
(...) They are necessary for an armed insurgency. Revolution is a messy term because it has so many contextual meanings. (...) And you would claim that these two nations are exemplars of successful national organization? (...) I'm pretty sure that (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		guns, guns, guns (was: demographics (was: My Gun Control Rant))
(...) I _do_ live in a society where guns are not needed for defense. But luckily, they are an option. I know that's a bit obtuse, but I'll go on to an answer that you might like better... Sure. All things being equal, I'd rather that people not (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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