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Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:48:12 GMT
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
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> > and yet
>
> Add "verifiable" here, twice, else you're toast.
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> > historical accounts and archeological
> > evidence can back it up, than it should be attributed to something
> supernatural.
My misteak (is that how you spell it? ;o) ), you're right.
> Because without the first addon, there are a lot of things that were
> "supernatural" which no longer are. To pick an old example: Thunder. To • pick
> a recent example: particle pairs appearing "spontaneously" outside the
> schwartzschild radius of a black hole, which appear to violate • conservation
> of matter/energy.
Agreed.
> With those adds and caveats you're right, I suppose. Fortunately for the
> agnostic crowd, no such unexplainable thing has yet been brought forth.
> Certainly not any of the biblical "miracles". (1)
> But for a god to be of any significance (other than as an internal comfort
> to those who *must* have some higher power to believe in, and that ain't • me)
> that god must be able to have tangible effect on something. And *that*, no
> religion has ever been able to prove.
...where I say a potential stumbling block is placed. Though high regard
can be given to proof, if such a god exists who is infinite and we as finite
cannot understand him, faith may be required as an add-on to understand and
believe. Say the system this god developed for his creation to know him
required faith, by his choice or by his nature. You wouldn't know that
until you experienced it, which requires faith. By relying on proof as the
ultimate standard to gauge something's existence, you've developed your own
stumbling block.
I'm not saying proof is bad, I believe that proof is good and in my
ponderings I will seek to put importance on it. But I'm saying that if you
were to search out a god for whatever reason, you can't limit yourself to
just proof because there may be an existence outside the realm of the
humanly proveable.
> 1 - reminder: don't fall into the trap of asserting "it's a miracle • because
> Jesus said it was" as proof of miraculousness and don't fall into the trap
> of asserting that "you can't explain the creation of the entire universe" • or
> "you can't explain how a cell works" as proof of god's mysterious and
> ineffable ways.
Yep, I agree again.
--
Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com
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