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Well, I hope you can read this, Chris!
-Shiri
In lugnet.off-topic.test, Shiri Dori writes:
> let's try this:
>
> Hi Chris!
>
> (there's a reason why I put "Yummy!" as the subject. I love food for
> thought! :-)
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > Sorry for the length of this folks, I so rarely get to use my Masters of
> > Education ;-)
>
> Hey, go right ahead! This was very interesting to read, now I have to reply...
>
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > Oh, and I absolutely agree with this article, and also what they say about
> > > the
> > > SATs (take the link to their homepage):
> > > http://www.fairtest.org/facts/whatwron.htm • <bit moved>
> >
> > I think that whether one agrees or disagrees depends largely on what they
> > think they are agreeing to.
>
> You're right. Saying "I absolutely agree with the page" is an exaggeration.
>
> > Hi Shiri. Which parts of the article do you agree with?
>
> I agreed with many parts of it, but I also agree with you that many parts of
> this article are not backed up by facts, and that they do not furthur their
> point (that standardized tests are bad).
>
> I have my own beefs with standardized tests, based on my own experience(s).
> Some of them are downright silly (like the PLAN test), while others are
> clearly skewed (like the MCAS).
> Also, as an ESL student, I don't think the tests accurately reflect my
> understanding of the things tested. I might do much better on the tests if
> they are in hebrew; then again, maybe not - I'm relatively fluent, but often
> get stuck on an occasional phrase. So by asking me if I am an ESLer (as I was
> asked for the MCAS), and considering that as a factor, they might be giving me
> an advantage over other students; or perhaps, by NOT asking me (as in the PLAN
> test) they're giving other people advantages over me. Does that make sense?
>
> I don't know much about the SATs, except that I have to take them next year.
>
> I do agree that standardized tests can serve some purposes. I also think that
> they are used for purposes which they shouldn't be used for. For example, the
> PLAN test being used to advise me what jobs I should pursue. Or the MCAS being
> used to determine what schools (in MA) are better, when they already know the
> answers; and also to determine whether an individual should graduate (which
> will indeed be true from next year).
> I do very well on standardized tests in general. Maybe it's because I'm really
> smart. Some people tell me I am, and maybe that's it; maybe, though, it's just
> that I know how to go about those tests (eliminate most improbable answers,
> don't waste time on what you don't know, etc). I certainly don't know which
> one it is. But if it's the latter, that truly defeats the whole purpose.
>
> (Forgive me for snipping your response; it was very insightful but I simply
> cannot reply to it all...
>
> -Shiri
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