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Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:00:02 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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> > > > No No No. Not to our FF. Rights are given by God, or Nature's God, or
> > > > however you want to characterize our Creator. This is [key], because if
> > > > rights are granted by anything else, they are easily taken away.
> > >
> > > Um, these rights are already very easy to take away.
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> > Sure, IRL, but I was speaking theoretically, as I believe were the FF.
> > Merely because someone is able to oppress me and take away my rights doesn't
> > justify it.
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> When you are oppressed you retain your rights. There are only two ways to be
> rid of rights: to surrender them (dangerously easy to do by mistake), and to
> have them taken from you through due process as established by the US
> Constitution. I guess I'm agreeing with John on this one except for the God
> part -- any inherency of the rights makes them constant.
I can accept your formulation more readily because it doesn't appeal to deus ex
machina, but I'm not comfortable with the notion of "inherency." How is
inherency identified/verified, and who gets to decide what is inherent?
Hmm. Now that I think about it, I guess "inherency" in this context could be
paraphrased as the "nature of the beast." I suppose I'm even more comfortable
with that construction, though I still don't know how we can confirm any rights
as inherent.
Would it be acceptable to refer to "inherent preferences" instead of "inherent
rights?"
Dave!
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| (...) The problem here is the conflation of legal notion with absolute reality. Rights are the legal/political expression of an aesthetic that nearly everyone (involved in the discussion) supports. While I wrote before that I was siding with John, (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) When you are oppressed you retain your rights. There are only two ways to be rid of rights: to surrender them (dangerously easy to do by mistake), and to have them taken from you through due process as established by the US Constitution. I (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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