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    Political PR and Other Newsbits —Richard Marchetti
   The Fog of War Talk (URL) "That's a good question, as to what constitutes victory," Rumsfeld replied. "Now, what is victory? I say that victory is persuading the American people and the rest of the world that this is not a quick matter that's going (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 

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