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Re: IGNORANT views fuel oppression?
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Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:09:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> You can see the whole message here:
> http://news.lugnet.com/news/post/?lugnet.off-topic.debate,18605
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I've read (most of) the thread. And again, without actually debating what's
going on in I/P, the point of this little tangent on the debate is to get to
a point where we're not banning people. If we can agree on a way of just
getting beyond a current thread that is this polarized, we can get on with
discussing other things without animosity and ignoring one another.
That's basically all I'm saying.
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it's a far better solution to end the debate on the issue than
> > > > ignoring an individual across all debates. This allows other debates to
> > > > take place unfettered.
> > > >
> > > > For me, it doesn't matter about your perceived 'disinformation'--you made
> > > > your points, others negated those points in their mind, just as you negated
> > > > their points to your satisfaction, but no theirs. Rehashing the points over
> > > > and over again after that doesn't do a wee bit of good for *anyone* concerned.
> > > >
> > > > In the final analysis, in the end, cut to the bottom of the page, where are
> > > > we left after that? Proposing to ignore an individual carte blanc because
> > > > we don't like him or her dwelling on this one topic? Well, it's a solution,
> > > > but, imho, a better solution is to step beyond the conversation.
> > > >
> > > > Not to bring my Christian values into play (not that this value is
> > > > specifically a Christian one, but there you are), but avoid the sin, not the
> > > > sinner.
> > > >
> > > > All in my personal judgement.
> > > >
> > > > You may feel that you have a point to make
> > > > You may feel that the 'other side' doesn't get it
> > > > You may feel that if you post 'just one more time' that you will get thru to
> > > > them
> > > > But when we're at the point of selectively banning people via 'ignore', then
> > > > mayhaps you may wish to rethink posting--not your opinion, your point, or
> > > > your values--just your posting of said stuff to the debate group.
> > >
> > >
> > > David,
> > > I have no problem with people ignoring me, or even users urging others to
> > > ignore me. However, I suggest you think wider than the Israel thing. Take a
> > > closer look at what is causing the "fuss" here.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I’m being paranoid, but I get the feeling that some people want to
> > > attack me when they think thay sense weakness and then “ignore” me when they
> > > don’t. Am I being paranoid?
> > >
> > > BTW: I made the JC post yesterday fully expecting *not* to get a reply. I blame
> > > this mess on you ;)
> > >
> > > Scott A
> >
> > I blame me as well.
> >
> > Paranoia is not something I subscribe to about anything--there is no 'they'
> > and 'they' aren't out to get me.
>
> But what about the black helicopters? ;)
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> > I sleep quite well at night thankyouverymuch.
>
> With great respect, you appear to have avoided my question. Can you explain
> this:
> http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=18598
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> >
> > What are your views about the "fuss"? Perception is the truth we have to
> > work with here in a newsgroup--how do you perceive what's going on? You
> > think that others are ignoring you because you believe your point is strong,
> > and only attack when your point is weak?
>
> I would never be so presumptuous.
I misinterpreted this then...
Quoteth Scott A
"
> Perhaps I’m being paranoid, but I get the feeling that some people want to
> attack me when they think thay sense weakness and then “ignore” me when they
> don’t. Am I being paranoid?
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> >
> > Mayhaps these 'others' believe it's 'oh no, here he goes again down that
> > same old well-trodden road--he's saying nothing new--we didn't believe him
> > the first time, why would we change our POV now?' and it really has nothing
> > to do with weakness or strength in the actual arguement--it's just, as many
> > folks have posted 'asked and answered' to their satisfaction.
>
> I think you are still focussing too much on the "Israel thing". Remember people
> are being asked to ignore all my posts on any issue – I understand that
> harassment via e-mail may also be taking place. This is being done whilst what
> is termed “long-distance unstated twitting” is condoned – but I am harangued
> for daring to answer.
>
> What are people so afraid of? Afaterall, I'm just a
> great-big-fluffy-pussycat. ;)
>
> Scott A
As far as I interpreted the ignoring thing, I think you're reading it from
the wrong end--"Let's ignore Scott across the board because we don't like
what he has to say at all" is not how I took it--I read it as "Scott won't
give up on the P/I issue so if we ignore him, he'll stop going on about it."
At least, that was my interpretation. Whether I received an e-mail saying I
should ignore someone is irrelevant--It would have been sent with the best
of intentions for the betterment of the newsgroup from the party(s) that
sent it, just as I am trying to do here--same justification--the want to
improve the atmosphere here, just different ways of achieving that goal.
Dave K.
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| (...) My view is not extreme. I hold no animosity for anyone. I'm not ignoring anyone. (...) I expect you must have. Many arguments have a weakness. Readers may respond where "think they sense weakness". This may not be where the weakness actually (...) (22 years ago, 13-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Many people have polarised views on this issue. They see it in rather simplistic “Bushian” terms; good versus evil or even jews versus muslims. The most commonly asserted views here are that Israel or [very much less commonly] the Palestinians (...) (22 years ago, 13-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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