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Re: For Those That *Don't Get* the 2nd Amendement (was Re: Those stupid liberal)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:25:56 GMT
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Pushing the envelope of "acceptable" subject divergence...
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> But if person X says "this is what *I* meant when I wrote this 2 months ago"
> I tend to give that a lot of credence. And I'm not the only one that does,
> so did the US Supreme court, which cited from the Federalist Papers too, in
> the early days, unless I'm totally imagining that part.
That makes sense. In terms of fiction, if Joe Author says "what I meant
here was this..." then I don't give a hoot; if it's not in the text, then
it's not in the text. That's why, for example, the film "Attack of the
Clones" is a woefully dull story regardless of what may or may not be in the
Salvatore novel.
> But we still have a context problem... how do you actually define a word?
> You have to use other words to do it. Unless you're dealing with something
> concrete where you can display examples, you may be stuck in a regression.
> And most of the interesting words in a constitution (but not "arms") are
> more conceptual than concrete.
Yeah, that is a quandary. I'm bored to tears by arguments that "words
don't really mean anything." I mean, no kidding, right? There isn't some
Divine List of Words somewhere; it's all degrees of social convention, so
let's just get on with it.
> > What's your basis for the "man portable" criterion? I agree with it, but
> > I'd like to have a nice way to encapsulate it.
> The point is to have weapons that can resist the
> projection of force against you, not to project force against others (and in
> that made up example, drag the US into a war, possibly)
I like that definition.
Dave!
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