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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:39:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:


The "non-stupidness" of Jefferson referred to by Froggy is merely that he
knew how to play it both ways, so that the LCDs would be appeased, while
making it clear to those who thought about it a bit what he *really* meant.

As far as you know.

NOT to the innate intelligence inherent in a person being able to reject the
creation myth. Which he did, your cited letter notwithstanding.

Your cite?

Now you could argue that this sort of deviousness in wording, which shows up
in many places, and which presumably was there in order to get the whole
shebang passed and accepted, is actually detrimental... as it leaves room
for doubt.

The point is that that kind of "religious" language permeates their thought and
writings, however they "really" felt about it.

You are correct that Jefferson and others cleverly didn't get specific about
*which* brands of religion to endorse-- therein lied the separation.  But the
*language* was there.  And that is our history.  Whether you believe it or not
(or whether they did) is irrelevant.

Religion played an important role in the founding of our country, and
references to God (under God, in God we trust, so help me God, God bless
America, etc) *are a part of our culture*, whatever meaning you want to place
on them. That's just the way it is.

-John



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  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Really, John! Do you think Richard is going to fall for that old trick? This is a debate about the separation of church and state, *not* about creationism. The "non-stupidness" of Jefferson referred to by Froggy is merely that he knew how to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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