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Re: An armed society...
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Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> Odd, most of the people I know avoided the media durring most of that crap.
This avoids Dave!'s point: the "liberal media" mantra is just that. It's a
cheap label that intends to dismiss criticism of anything conservatives
support as biased. Some, of course, is biased in the liberal direction.
But some is biased in the conservative direction. I suppose a certain
amount of perception is based on what you read/watch/listen to. Radio seems
extremely biased towards the conservative. TV seems more liberal (but I
avoid TV news, so I am not the best of judges - see below about the "litany
of death" that I despise). Newspapers vary (locally, slightly liberal Los
Angeles Times and the massively conservative Orange County Register).
> >
> > > The fact that
> > > dozens of successful home defence senerios play out for every unsuccessful
> > > senerio is often overlooked or ignored as a result.
> >
> > Cite, please! Without documentation, you are using anecdote and hearsay as
> > if they are evidence. There is no way to assess these "successful" scenarios
> > without further clarification. In Pittsburgh, for instance, where legal gun
> > acquisition is not difficult, there are break-ins every night of the week; the
> > number of these that are "successfully" thwarted is minimal in the extreme.
> > Further, there is no validity in asserting that "we just don't hear about the
> > successful ones," since you could therefore posit that 10billion breakins are
> > thwarted each night. Your claim lacks falisifiability and is inconsistent • with
> > my geographical region, at least.
>
> Well maybe that is crux of our differing opinions. I my area attempting to
> break into a house is equivilent to trying to rob a police station. (i.e.
> incredibly stupid and highly dangerous to the perpetrators) Tell me; why is it
> that when a drive-by shooting occurs everyone does not open fire on the car?
Because the criminals have driven off. Drive-by shootings are usually sneak
attacks against another armed or possibly armed person.
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> > > This is not limited to just Gun Control issues either. For example about 2
> > > years ago a Homosexual was beaten to death by two "religous extremists." • This
> > > was all over the media on the front pages of newspapers and the big story on
> > > the TV news. At almost the same time 2 Homosexuals lured a 12 year old boy
> > > into their house, raped, and murdered him. This was down played to the point
> > > where it was a small story at the back of the paper and had barely any • mention
> > > at all on the TV news. It was as if they were trying to pretend it never
> > > happened.
> >
> > So? At about the same time a mentally-retarded girl (between 12 and 16 • years
> > old, though I can't remember) was hunted down like an animal by two sociopaths
> > with legally obtained firearms. Was this also front-page news? No. Was it
> > because the media are "controlled" by liberals? No.
> > Unlike the tragic murder of the 12 year old boy, the Matthew Sheppard case
> > was specifically motivated by anti-homosexual bigotry. *THAT* is why it
> > received national attention. The 12 year old's murder, while also undeniabley
> > tragic, was not driven by anti-heterosexual bigotry. To equate the two cases
> > is to omit deliberately key facts that fundamentally distinguish the two.
>
> Murder is murder regardless of motivation. I see no difference in degree of
> crime based on motivation. If one should be "front page" then all of them
> should.
A societal pattern that may have larger implications would seem to be more
newsworthy. Was the one part of a homophobic pattern? Maybe, maybe not,
but alarming enough to consider. The murder you cite is tragic (I hate
crimes against children more than anything), but it seems an isolated case.
It's bad enough that local TV news indulges in its "litany of death" for
ratings without adding a tit for tat quotient to it.
Bruce
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