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Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
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Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:01:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > When did the polling take place?
> > > > What group was polled – age/sex/ethnic background?
> > > > What order were the questioned asked in?
> > > > Was any supplemental information given?
> > > > How was the poll undertaken - telephone / face-to-face/via the web?
> > > > Were any other questions asked?
> > > > Who are the “polling experts at the University of Connecticut” – and was
> > > > their comment related to the poll?
> > > >
> > > > It is reassuring that this is the level of debate in the LP. No doubt the
> > > > freedom forum and the LP are working hard as we speak to ensure US kids can
> > > > be exposed to porn and violence.
> > >
> > >
> > > What's wrong with that?
> >
> > Personally, I would think it is bad that any group is "working hard as we
> > speak to ensure US kids can be exposed to porn and violence." - call me a
> > prude if you wish.
> >
> > > Are you advocating limits on speech rights? If you
> > > don't want your kids exposed to porn and violence - monitor what they are
> > > watching.
> >
> > What if a kid has a parent that does not care - is that OK? What if the
> > violence/porn is exploitative - is that OK?
>
> That's the parent's duty - not mine, or the governments for that matter
> either.
So you would rather that kid was corrupted, than some sort of age check
system was used?
> I would rather the government do something useful, not tell me what
> I can/cannot say, or what my children can/cannot see or hear.
Such as? Protecting children is what I expect government to do before almost
anything. I expect government to supply children with free healthcare and
education.
> If a parent
> can't keep track of what their children are doing on a regular basis then
> they shouldn't have been a parent in the first place.
How do you propose they should be stopped? Who should stop them? Who should
pay for it?
Scott A
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> >
> > Scott A
> >
> > > Just because the US is a democracy doesn't mean the the individual
> > > household has to be. (quoting a childhood friend's mother)
> > >
> > > > Scott A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > > From my usual source, the Libertarian propaganda (NOT spam, mind you, I
> > > > > wanted it sent it to me, and I, as a regular participant of this group, feel
> > > > > it's worthy of discussion, so people who initially label it as spam are rude
> > > > > or clueless, take your pick) that I get in my email...
> > > > >
> > > > > -- start --
> > > > >
> > > > > This past week, the New York-based First Amendment Center revealed that
> > > > > a startling number of Americans are willing or eager to give the
> > > > > government more control over speech and the press. Of the 1,102 adults
> > > > > randomly surveyed by telephone across the nation:
> > > > >
> > > > > * 46% said the press in America has "too much freedom to do what it
> > > > > wants." By contrast, only 36% think there is "too much government
> > > > > censorship."
> > > > >
> > > > > * 71% think it is somewhat or very important for the government "to
> > > > > hold the media in check."
> > > > >
> > > > > * 39% agree "the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it
> > > > > guarantees." That's up dramatically from just 22% who held that opinion
> > > > > last year.
> > > > >
> > > > > * 64% disagreed that "people should be allowed to say things in public
> > > > > that might be offensive to racial groups," with 36% saying there should
> > > > > be laws against such speech.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- end excerpt --
> > > > >
> > > > > That scares me. I think our current press is a bit slanted but I'd never
> > > > > want to see it *restricted*!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Call me elitist if you like but ... Unfettered majority rule scares me.
> > > > > People in large groups can be so clueless.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did a little digging on the FAC, I beleive this is their URL:
> > > > > http://www.freedomforum.org/first and this is the survey in question
> > > > > http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14257
> > > > >
> > > > > This organization (based on my read of where they get their money) is not
> > > > > particularly Libertarian, except inasmuch as the LP and libertarians share
> > > > > their viewpoint that free speech is a good thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > ++Lar
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