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Subject:	Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:36:21 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote: > I freely admit that when I've dug into this before (this does come up > periodically) I was unable to provide a firm axiom to justify the notion of > natural rights (as I define them) and did get rather wrapped around the axle > on how to tell which rights were natural and which were cultural... I was exploring the idea that perhaps the only fundamental right is the right to an impartial "rights based" mediation of disputes. This does suggest why animals then don't specifically have rights since they don't have the capability to participate in a mediated dispute. Of course someone can participate on their behalf, but then you have to convince everyone involved that you do really represent the animal. I guess the question to explore is can you build all other "rights" from this right of mediation. On the flip side, is there any situation where you don't have a right to mediation? Unfortunately I'm way too burried in work to really explore this. -- Frank Filz ----------------------------- Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please) Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com

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		Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Being the relative moralist that I am, I'll push that one step further and say I don't believe there are "natural" or "fundamental" rights. It's a moral definition humans create based on an emotional response. Perhaps, however, there are (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I was off by a bit: "To have a right ... is ... to have something which society ought to defend me in the possession of." And also: "When we call anything a person's right, we mean that he has a valid claim on society to protect him in the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Well, yes and no. If you know or can establish that the person you are debating has a fundamentally different view of a basic principle, and has a track record of never changing their mind, it may be that the "best" you can do is get that (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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