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Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:40:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > There is nothing amoral about a lion killing a wilder beast with all its
> > might – it is its natural right to do so.
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> Look up the difference between amoral and immoral. There is nothing
> *immoral* about it, but it most certainly IS amoral, unless you think
> animals reason about morality and make ethical decisions.
What is you point?
> (To Ross, it's
> more reasonable to ask that you prove this happens than that I prove it
> doesn't, partly because you're asking me to prove the negative and partly
> because your claim would be the more far fetched)
To Ross : Don't expect Larry to justify anything.
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> Then explain how the lion's "right", which clearly conflicts with the
> wildebeest's "right" to live, is still a right.
Larry, what are you taking about? Do you suggest the lion should eat grass?
Or that the wildebeest should carry a gun?
> My point is that rights
> don't conflict, and that animals do not use a system of rights in working
> things out.
Same as what? The same as you? Do you expect them to have a panel of
politically appointed judges to fudge decisions?
> They are amoral. Like I said to Dan, if you disagree, your
> understanding of rights, in my opinion, is suspect.
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> By extension, anything you say ABOUT rights is therefore suspect as well, in
> my opinion.
Nice tirade Larry.
Scott A
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