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Subject:	Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:40:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: > > How dependent on mutualism do we want to say that rights are? The 'right' • that > I cite for the cock of the walk isn't a mutually applicable right, it is a > privilege that they all happen to agree on. And it's based mostly on the fact > that that chicken will kill whoever disagrees. That makes it sound > substantially different than our notion of rights. But you could argue that rights we've given to ourselves are just privileges that we all happen to agree on. Based mostly on the fact that we'll sue whoever disagrees. 8?) > And how does interspecies (or even intercultural) understanding and respect > affect rights? Do rights mean anything between species? If not, how and why > is it different for the cross-cultural divides? I think "rights" has no real meaning or usefulness between species - it makes no more sense for me to talk about the cock's right to scratch where it wants than for the cock to crow about the bee's right to eat pollen. I think rights only make sense within species. Cocks may not call them rights, but they exist nonetheless. Not sure about cultures, though humans seem to be heading towards more common rights across cultures (albeit slowly). ROSCO

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) fact (...) whoever (...) Your emoticon implies that you're kidding. I'm not. I think your statement cuts right to the hear of what our rights actually are. But the difference I was pointing to is that we don't invest rights in certain classes (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) [snip] (...) This is an interesting point. Maybe the things that animals do resemble our rights cloely enough that we could sometimes call them rights. The dominant chicken (almost always a rooster, if one is present) does have the right to (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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