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Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Fri, 11 May 2001 20:06:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> The bottom line of your statement is being in favor of a space based missle
> defense system for whatever reasons you argued. Those weren't of any
> particular interest to me since I'm obviously on a different tanget. It is
> clear to me that you believe America will always have an enemy at some point
> in time. So what I'm saying is that we WILL always have enemies because we
> help make them. America needs an enemy to justify the trillions spent on the
> military. Face it, war makes money and you even alluded positively to the
> business venture of this defense system.
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> With regard to Iraq, there's no doubt that we made Saddam into our enemy. He
> had always been a dirty thug but we were fine with that for decades. The
> Iran-Iraq War raged on throughout the 80's and we "helped" BOTH sides,
> despite the fact that Iran was our foe after ousting the Shah (another
> American puppet). We helped instigate the invasion of Kuwait by supporting
> Kuwaiti slant drilling, supporting Kuwaiti oil overproducing that
> deliberately undercut Iraq's ability to help pay off their war debt and
> repeatedly rejecting Iraq's pleas in the U.N. for Kuwait to ease off so Iraq
> could stabilize it's infrastructure.
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> To top it off, our ambassador gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait and
> the fools took the bait and we all know what happened next. The Persian Gulf
> War cut Iraq down and President Bush publicly called for Iraq's people to
> rise up and overthrow Saddam. The CIA got involved and promised support and
> when the Iraqi people in the north and south started the revolt, we pulled
> out and left them to be slaughtered. The "no-fly" zones remain as a defacto
> partitioning of Iraq since that's where the oil fields are and Saddam
> remains in power so that Americans can talk about "Scuds" and so on to
> justify outer space missle defense platforms.
>
> We make our enemies and keep it that way as long as we can because there's
> lots of money to be made. To think otherwise is just plain naive in my
> opinion. Look at the political map of the world and figure out who we're at
> odds with and consider how we reflect that in our films and TV shows. That's
> paranoia.
>
> Rather than even consider such stupid weapons and take the warmonger
> approach, we should consider our foreign policy of economic imperialism and
> exploitation. Look at the dreadful environmental consequences of a century
> of greedy industrialization. Are we really better off? Each time we spend
> billions to send up a shuttle or rocket, we also punch another hole in the
> atmosphere. What are the far reaching environmental consequences of stepping
> up our space program? What sort of mess will our children have to clean up
> because of us? Are we going to revert to the idiotic rhetoric of "It's all
> about saving jobs"? That's the short term, fast buck approach for the greedy
> morons that got us into this big mess. The ONLY reason I would support such
> space weapons is to protect our planet from comets and meteors that will
> eventually come our way. That's reality.
>
> As men, we are easily facinated with our ability to inflict death and
> destruction with our big toys. We pride ourselves on how many
> rounds-per-second our machine guns fire or the gross yield of a bomb, like
> these were sports statistics. We've made warfare into a science and we
> pretend that it's for the greater good. Yet it never fails that people
> suffer, lose their homes and culture or killed for the "greater good" of
> another people. How arrogant.
>
> Dan
Well said on all points!
james
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