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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Sun, 6 May 2001 12:17:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > What is your definition of terrorism? What if we c/as a way/as
> > > the primary way/ ?? Do some drop away from that list?
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't follow that last bit: "c/as a way/as the primary way/ ??"
> > I am not familiar with all of the internet shorthand yet.
>
> Sorry, that just means this:
> What if, in the definition wording, we changed "as a way" to "as a primary
> way"... the shorthand comes in because c/xx/yy/ is an editor command in
> several old skool line editors to effect a change of xx to yy. When you see
> it used you know you're dealing with someone that is crusty enough to have
> used line editors...
>
> >
> > To answer your question about my definition of terrorism, I can only say that
> > the popular use of the term refers to anyone outside of the "accepted"
> > political network taking up arms against a government and it's citizens. It is
> > often assumed that the "victims" are "innocent" and that the only aim of the
> > "terrorist" is to inflict suffering and death on others. That's the Hollywood
> > version
>
> Fine, fine. But you asked me for my definition,
Indeed. You were asked for a definition after your sentenced terrorists to
an arbitrary fate. But then it turned out you were a little muddled about
what a terrorist is.
Scott A
> then gave examples of people
> that you assert fit my definitions. Most of those people don't "fit" my
> internal notion (which, as always, with any internal notion of any other
> person, can never be completely and precisely expressed by words). So..
> either the definition wasn't crisp enough and needs fixing or my internal
> notion is wrong, or these people did things I was unaware of.
>
> Hence, I asked, why did you think these people fit, and what is YOUR
> definition. Not hollywoods, but your personal definition. Put another way,
> do you really think those presidents are terrorists by your own definition
> or just that my definition is wrong, or something else?
>
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> > Try to think back to when you were a kid and had to deal with a bully... >That's closer to my definition of terrorism.
>
> The bully is a terrorist? Not sure this helps, but try some other analogies.
>
> <snipped factoids>
>
> We can get in a factoid war if you like, I can dig up factoids on just about
> anything if I want. Not sure what it will accomplish.
>
> I would rather dig into this narrow topic of what a terrorist is, bbecause I
> am interested in trying to determine (back to my question to Richard)
> whether you can or should negotiate with terrorists. I acknowledge that the
> recepient of attack may have a different viewpoint than the deliverer(1).
>
> > Read this:
> > http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
>
> Saw the cite the first time, thanks. Might read it if I have time, might not.
>
> 1 - Read a fun SF book, _Jumper_ which made a tangential point. While many
> in the US regard the truck bomb sent into the Marine compound in Lebanon in
> the early 80s, for example, as a terrorist attack, to most disinterested
> observers, it is not. Self sacrificial, yes, but the bomb was directed
> against a military target.
>
> Our perception of the US as "good guys" and anyone who opposes us as "bad
> guys" colors our evaluation. cf. a kamikaze pilot attacking a carrier during
> WW II was not a terrorist either.
>
> ++Lar
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| (...) Sorry, that just means this: What if, in the definition wording, we changed "as a way" to "as a primary way"... the shorthand comes in because c/xx/yy/ is an editor command in several old skool line editors to effect a change of xx to yy. When (...) (24 years ago, 4-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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