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(...) Yesterday, random alcohol tests declared to be illegal here in Turkey. What a coincidence..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to jump, but this just reminds me a former RP (a fundamentalist political party in Turkey) senator, who escaped to Germany after found guilty by the court, just announced a few days ago himself as "messiah". Since it is the second Turk (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, the point was any religion can provide "high moral grounds" for the people or not. You said several times without religion, we could not have a social life, since there would be no ethics, since there wouldn't be a supreme (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those Germans were Christians, right? And most of the US people (at least the first settlers who "cleaned the indians") are also Christians, right? The southern states of US, who known to be more religious and conservative than the northern (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Changed it, anyway <grin>... I now interpret that as "voice dissent at", and now I get it. Recall the question Maggie asked about libertarian views on abortion? She was surprised at that informal unscientific poll result showing division of (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes - (URL) are moves in the UK to form one. But even if it were to reach the agenda, and you imagine the haggling? And what would the benefit be, I'm already as free as a bird.. tweet tweet. I gruffly compared my freedoms to those you enjoy (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have now corrected my spelling. (...) Yes. Naturally, just because it can be copyrighted does not make it right to do so. I think inventions and formulations can be copyrighted/patented to protect “investment” of time / money – otherwise (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you check that for a possible missing word? I read it a few times and haven't grokked it yet. Thanks! Maybe it's a UK turn of phrase? "voice decent at"?? (...) I'll give it a brief once over later today... you already know what I'm going (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you rummage around, you’ll find that there are plenty within the LP who voice decent at every thing from your sign up clause (“I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals.”), to (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my. Well, heavens. Quite a time! Um, and Scott, being a Briton, I do hope you realise that your country doesn't *have* a constitution. Well, I mean, they do have *stamina*, but no actual Constitution per se. So I suppose the point is moot (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Poll (another of those darn things) recently: 55% are anxious about the whole thing 21% are 'frightened and worried' (how that's different, who knows) 36% are 'amused' I think this means we need to lighten up. And before anyone makes the (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) It was whipped up on the spur of the moment. I'm glad it amused, and not too worried if it wasn't perfect. Nobody is perfect, you know, but some of us take comfort in being Forgiven, and some of us take comfort in improving ourselves. I know (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Including me, of course, as I've said all along. I'll argue for 100% (of whatever) but gladly accept 75% (instead of the 32% I have now)... Based on some of the other stuff you've posted lately I may have to become a small l libertarian (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all very Hayek - he proposed that the systems of behaviour in humanity is evolving – and that they survive because they are useful, in that they help “society”. He believed that The market had survived the test of time this based on (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Todd bless you, brother..:-) We all believe in Todd, don't we?.. Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't really figure out if there is any atheistic society. As I know of every society now has some sort of religion right now, as I guess but of course I'm not sure. I really appreciate if you give some living (or lived in some time) (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you, Hannibal. (...) You raise good points, Bill, but don't fall into the trap of trying to prove anything about Christ or God, at least to seasoned debaters such as Lar et al. They will eat you for lunch. But that's okay, because we (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, don't flatter yourself....like it wasn't obvious! While I found your tale extremely humorous - (which is bad because I just got out of the ICU due to amonia (pneumonia), my ribs are killing me!! I laughed my @$$ off - that's right, I now (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, wouldn't instincts of altruism *always* be obeyed? Certainly altruism in sentient beings is random at best. (...) lol This reminds me of a story a friend told me. His dad was driving and came up to a stop light behind a car that had a (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On my way home from work today, I was thinking about government structures, and had some interesting ideas, so I offer them for your digestion: The first thought was: If we strive to attain a Libertopia, is there any need for state governments? I (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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