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In repsone to Mike Poindexter's message ... Sure they (meaning Lego employees) read Lugnet, even if it is not in an official capacity. If you think about a corporation, many individual people are looking for ways to climb the corporate ladder. They (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You're entitled to your opinion. Here's mine: The people at TLG who continue to ignore the overwhelmingly huge amount of interest the AFOL has in certain things (bulk order, better service packs, etc) are fools. Period. If they're concerned (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) If you tick (...) <cut rest of message> Are you saying that if you need 20 2x2 orange tiles that come in the pod racing set for $90 a set, that TLG will not make more money selling 10 of those sets for $900 (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Comparing the quality of the two sites (lugnet and lego), I don't think that Todd would appreiciate the insinuation that he's been working for TLG ;) (...) I disagree - when companies do market research, they don't offer lolipops to people who (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Especially as that would give us even less incentive to buy their stinky sets! Ooops! Sorry Lego - Poindexter said it, not me! Richard (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) For 20 2x2 orange tiles, yes, I agree. One of the many people who buy sets and part them out will be more than happy to provide that third party service for you. Unfortunately, I don't want 20. I want 2000. I don't have $90,000 laying around (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) For me that analysis is occasionally right, but usually wrong. Take train doors, for example. I never bought any 5561 Big Foot 4x4 for the white train doors, but I would buy 20 white train doors if they were $2 each. Furthermore, your analysis (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) No, I'm not saying that. If you're interested in learning, search for some of the arguments for and against bulk ordering we've had over the last few years - I don't have the time or the desire to reproduce them for you. But I'll tell you this (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) That is a very true example. Here is another one. I want 2,000 of the 1x4x6 black town jr. windows. Does this mean that they will make more money by selling me 2000 of the McDonalds sets? Yes they will, if I felt inclined to buy $22,000 worth (...) (25 years ago, 22-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Nick Goetz writes: [snipped] (...) In case you didn't notice in my first post, I _DID_ get bulk ordering. And what I was offered was not even as good a deal as full retail at Toys R Us. 6 cents a piece for bricks from the bulk (...) (25 years ago, 23-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Unfortunately I hit the send button on the post about the 20 bricks out of frustration. Yes I understand many of you, as well as myself, want large quantities of bricks that could generate lots of lots of money for TLG. I should have thought a (...) (25 years ago, 23-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Just a couple of points. That 20K order we had assembled was for less than 20 different parts in total, although across several colors. I agree with most everything being said, but I feel that we need tu build bridges to those in TLG that have any (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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I agree. Anything that actually succeeds will have to be based on a sound business model. TLG needs to make money and see a positive creative outcome as a result. Perhaps we need a buying organization. A single point of contact with TLG, or a funnel (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek writes: [snipped] (...) Larry, the prices quoted don't mean anything. When they got the order, they said not one item was available. A price quoted for a product not available is not truly a price. I have had to (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Mike, let me be clear in case I wasn't, I'm not disagreeing with you. A number of people at TLG DO have rose colored glasses on. I'd rather just see if a well reasoned business case NOW could avoid the hundreds of millions in losses that would wake (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) opinion. You may have hit on a good point here! I'm sure that this is a concern to Lego, especially if they have been reading the groups ehre and have sensed the general unhappiness with most of the current sets. This would be easy to fix with (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) What should they -care-? if someone makes money on a aftermaket use of pieces, then all the power to them. If TLG is loosing too much money to the person, just hire them! It's not like someone is making a copy of Lego, then selling it. (trust (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) costs (...) from (...) It erodes the market for their *SETS* which is where they make the most of their money. While they CAN make money selling bulk, I doubt that it will ever be the majority of their income. Following this idea, Lego would (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Everyone should pay attention to the shelf-space penetration of Mega Blocks. All the K-Marts (and to a slightly lesser degree WalMart) seem to have large quantities of Mega Blocks product available for purchase. My take is that Mega Blocks are (...) (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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I've been following this group for a while, and I'd like to add my 3.059 cents worth (the exchange rate at the moment's a pain). If it is true that AFOL's requesting bulk orders would only make up a small percentage of Lego sales, then I cannot see (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Ray Sanders wrote in message <3813510A.B54BDB9D@gate.net>... (...) But that concern can be addressed. I don't think anyone here would complain if the price per part for bulk orders was structured so that TLG had a higher profit to expense ratio (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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Hmm... (...) Is there anyone who is facile with LDraw or some compatible program and existing model copying, and who is interested in making some coin(1)? I'd be interested in getting a copy of my hopper in LDraw. If you are interested, drop me a (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) If Mega Blocks gets their quality control and tolerances worked out to within 90% of TLG's level, AND if they offer the type of bulk ordering service we talk about, I bet a lot of people will jump on it. I know I would. (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) parts to (...) I do not think that the concern lies in people buying the parts to make/sell official lego sets below retail. I believe the concern is that people will design their OWN sets using the bulk parts, which would undoubtedly be (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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What is it about TLG??!! How _can_ they be so obtuse? Or, are _we_ missing something? Because *somebody* is WAY off here. _Why_ can't TLG understand this point: WE WANT YOU TO SUCCEED!!!! WE WANT YOU TO TAKE OUR MONEY!!! WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) How much would people pay for David's AT-AT model as a kit? I'm thinking $150 minimum. Probably a lot higher. (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It makes me toy with the idea of liquidating the whole shebang and moving on to something else. :/ I could get almost as much enjoyment out of a good virtual Lego building package for free, recover the use of an entire room, and spend the (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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the parts in either one of the AT ATs (and I saw both in the flesh, WOW IS ALL I CAN SAY (yes I had to shout) ) would be way more than 150, I would think. There must have been 3000 elements in either one. Just guessing. I'd pay 500 for one. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yeah, and I think a lot of rabid SW fans would outbid you. (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'd go $550 just to outbid you. :) Maybe we can talk him into an auction? (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I just got my tax return back (albeit in AUD), so I'm ready for some bidding. I'd even pay DaveE just for the .DAT files!! Anyone with that amount of talent deserves to be rewarded! Pete Callaway (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Depends on the part count an physical size. I've seen pictures of two AT-ATs (don't know which one is David's) from the NELUG display at MindFest ( (URL) ) but that doesn't always give you a good impression of the actual size of the models. I (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Dave's original pictures might give a better idea of scale: <URL:(URL) It's huge! (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Nick, I agree with part of what you're saying, but if that were totally true, then why would TLG have Service Packs at all? I wouldn't care at all about bulk orders if TLG improved and expanded their Service Pack selection. As I've stated (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) And both of which contain basically the same parts. :( (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'd be interested. As for payment (obviously depending on how long the custom hopper takes to ldraw), can you say "blue hopper"? ;) More seriously, while reading today's messages, I started wondering about the viability of selling instructions (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) This has already been done in book-form, right? Didn't Richard do something like this for his school/class? I think a paper version could work, but I think a digital version would be easier to do. I know I'd be willing to pay for a few dozen (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I wonder...perhaps one could make a good profit with such models sold through eBay (or even a "Star Wars Idea CD" or something like that)? We could end up with a cottage industry of modules for building themed models, sort of a merchandised (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't know that that is a generally true statement. I'm sure a good number of people will continue to buy TLG products until such time as the quality of the bricks themselves goes to pot, but it's bound to be true that other people will slip (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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<trimmed original> (...) true, (...) and (...) Shop-At-Home), I (...) Why TLG has services packs at all is not a question I can answer. I don't know. I could guess but I would probably be wrong. I agree if they expanded the service pack options I (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Does anyone think TLG would listen to some simple bucket or accessory pack requests? In other words, I am suggesting we actually compose a few bucket distributions, and a few accessory packs -- literally listing the part numbers and (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't know if they'd like that. Standard corporate behavior is to be very wary of stuff that is offered for free. What if they start to sell a pack based on your part list, and then you sue them, claiming that they "stole your idea for a (...) (25 years ago, 25-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) "The Shawshank Redemption" (25 years ago, 26-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) "Let's see how you like a month in solitary!" (Or something like that.) Name that movie! (25 years ago, 26-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) keeps its brain." (...) It sounds like something Larry Niven would write. I'm thinking about the Puppeteers from the ringworld 'verse. another Chris (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Is that from Harry Potter? I know I've just recently read that but I'm not sure of the source. Chris (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Yes, I believe you are correct. I'm re-reading the Ringworld series right now. I started with 'Protector' since that seems the correct base point. Ahh yes, a Piersons Puppeteer. Ray (not a chris) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) I don't know about Niven, but I'm quoting from "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets". Mr. Weasley is giving advice to his daughter Ginny. Steve (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) to (...) keeps its brain." I would buy a copy! Paul Sinasohn bearitone@my-deja.com (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) I've been thinking a lot about this and I have to say that I don't think I'd contribute the black hopper into the PD... I plan instead to sell copies with instructions, but with carefully worded retention of rights by me prohibiting (...) (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) I look forward to being able to buy a copy with instructions, myself. (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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