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In lugnet.general, Paul Sinasohn wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Henrik Thrane wrote:
> > Hello!
> > Is it possible to see the pictures from this auktion somewhere? I would love to
> > see them as I have a large collection of these old bricks and would like to know
> > more about them:-)
> > Thanks!
> > Henrik Thrane
>
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> Which forces the question -
>
> When will this CD of yours be ready, Mr. Istok?
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> Paul Sinasohn
> LUGNET #115
> BAYLUG
Hey Paul,
Finishing up the text to the Lego CD as we speak....
When I started out, I was sooooo naiive! The thought that early Lego fits so
nicely into different catalog years, was well... WRONG!
Below I have included a sample sub-chapter on Lego road signs. I wanted to
include some complex tables and charts on other Lego elements, but Lugnet
doesn't align tables very well.
About 2 months ago I assumed that the CD would number about 700 pages.... but
since then I have added about 100 pages of text (I saved the easiest stuff until
last!). If 1/2 of each page is devoted to text and the other half pictures,
then the Lego CD will probably number about 900 to 1,000 pages! Possibly more!
I have had a lot of helpers on this gargantuan project. Eric Strand and Dave
Shifflett have helped with the USA Samsonite stuff, and catalogs/pictures.
Clark Stephens has helped with signs, flags, printed bricks, 1:87 cars/trucks,
and lots of other items. Jim Hughes has helped with the Expert Builder (early
gears and Technic), as well as early Lego history. Reinhold "Ben" Beneke of
Germany is helping with the Lego Trains (being proofread as we speak), Phil
Traviss of England has helped with British/Australian Lego, Kurt Richter of
Germany has helped with continental European Lego. Manuel Cueto of Columbia has
helped with 1950's Lego. And I have also had help (unnamed, so you folks won't
bother her :-) (I bother her enough already!) from a very wonderful lady who
works with the Vault and Lego Collections in Billund.
Even though the Lego CD will only cover the years 1949-80, I will be (hopefully)
including every single Lego part/set all the way back to 1949.
Also, if you want to get a glimpse of some of the
catalogs/brochures/sets/pictures that will be in the Lego CD, go check out Eric
Strand and Dave Schifflett's great websites:
Eric's site has 1) TOWN PLAN, 2) VINTAGE SAMSONITE LEGO SETS, and 3) VINTAGE
SAMSONITE LEGO ADS.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=estrand
Eric also has (on his personal site) a lot of old Samsonite catalogs and
brochures.
http://home.comcast.net/~strandee/
Dave has some really neat European, as well as USA sets, catalogs and
advertisements. He especially has been collecting 1950's Lego brochures:
http://www.redshift.com/~shifflett/lego/
Awesome stuff!!
I hope by December to at least have the first 100 or so Limited Edition copies
available for distribution. The first copies will be a manually BURNED special
version of the CD. Then I will send the CD out to be PRESSED by a professional
company, but it will have a different CD picture on it. I will probably be
selling them on Amazon.com.
All those who have preordered in the last year or so, I still have your name and
EMAIL ID. Those folks are at the top of the list for the special early
prototype CD version. (There are still a few slots available!)
Again, below is a sub-chapter on Lego signs (although I appear to have truncated
the 1969-94 text portion accidentally). It gives an indication of some of the
"Lego Mayhem" that is early 1949-65 Lego.
Enjoy, and thanks for being patient.
Gary Istok
P.S. I now know the meaning of "biting off more than you can chew"! :-)
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9.3 Early Lego Road Signs (1955-72).
Lego road signs are of two basic varieties. One is the shorter flat bottomed
road signs used in Lego from 1955 to 1972. The other is the taller road sign
with the base that attaches to 2 Lego brick studs. These were produced starting
in 1969 (in continental Europe, by 1972 they were produced elsewhere) and are
still in production today, but with a different base.
There are 3 types of the 1955-69 flat bottom signs. One set were white with a
gray base. They were sold in continental Europe (except Sweden), USA/Canada,
and Britain (1960-62). A second set was used only in Sweden, and were yellow
with a gray base. These signs were identical with those for the rest of
continental Europe, except for the color yellow. A third set were for
Britain/Australia (1963-69), and had white signs with a white base. The British
signs were different from those of the rest of Europe and USA/Canada.
_____________________________
In 1955 the old road signs came into production. These old signs are about an
inch tall (2 1/2 centimeters). They all have a round base, a white sign pole,
and a sign that is either square, round, diamond shape, triangular or upside
down triangular. The base to these signs are all gray, but there are at least
three shades of gray, dark, medium and light gray (possibly more shades of gray
are out there). Also, the thickness of the gray base changed over the 15 years
they were produced. I have yet to determine if the base color or thickness
determines a particular date that the signs were produced, or if it was related
to the signs destination, or if it was just random.
Based on the diagrams on the inside cover of the #238 Building Idea Book
(1960-68), there are 21 different designs to these old signs. These road signs
are all of continental European origin. Britain (and Australia starting in
1962) used these same signs from 1960 until about 1963, when they started
producing their own British/Australian versions. When Lego sales started in
USA/Canada in 1961/62, the continental European signs were used there. This was
in spite of the fact that these signs are not used in real life in either
USA/Canada. There were never USA/Canada only signs like there were
British/Australian signs.
The same 21 different sign designs were used for continental Europe (1955-68),
Sweden (signs made of yellow plastic, 1955-68), Britain/Australia (1960-62), and
USA/Canada (1961-66).
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Lego Road Signs Spare Parts Packs - EU/UK/AUS/USA/CAN (1955-79).*
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Pack# Years Location Sold Quantity
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#1240 1955-58 Denmark, Norway, Sweden 8 specific street signs
#1241 1955-58 Denmark, Norway, Sweden 8 specific street signs
#232 1956-58 Central Europe 16 specific street signs
#232 1958-65 Cont. Europe/Britain/Australia 16 misc. street signs
#232 1961-66 USA 15 misc. street signs
#232 1962-65 Canada 15 misc. street signs
#232 1963-65 Britain/Australia 8 misc. street signs
#432 1966-72 Britain/Australia 8 misc. street signs
#432 1966-68 Canada 15 misc. street signs +
#489 1966-68 Cont. Europe 14 misc. street signs
#989 1969-72 Cont. Europe 10 tall street signs
#939 1973-79 EU/Britain/Australia/Canada 9 tall street signs +
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* From 1960-62 Britain had the same #232 sets as continental Europe. From
1967-79 no flag part packs were sold in USA. All Swedish road signs from
1955-68 were yellow, not white.
+ Canadian set #432 came with street signs and trees/bushes. Set #939 came with
road signs, flags and trees.
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Northern Europe - #1240 Road Sign Parts Pack (1955-58).*
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TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with railroad track
2) Red border with 1 pedestrian (black) and a walkway.
3) Red border with a zigzag black line with an arrow at the end.
DIAMOND SHAPED SIGNS:
4) Red border with blank inside.
5) Black border with a white border inside, and yellow diamond inside that.
SQUARE SIGNS:
6) Navy blue background with a large serif capital “P” in white.
ROUND SIGNS:
7) Red circle with upside down red triangle within and word “STOP” within.
8) Navy blue background with white horizontal arrow pointing right.
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* Northern Europe included Denmark, Norway and Sweden. All 8 of these road
signs were found in this set. These 8 road signs were produced for Sweden in
yellow plastic instead of white.
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Northern Europe - #1241 Road Sign Parts Pack (1955-58).*
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TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with railroad locomotive.
2) Red border with 2 pedestrians (black) walking to the left.
3) Red border with a straight black line.
4) Red border with blank inside (yield sign).
DIAMOND SHAPED SIGNS:
5) Black border with a yellow diamond inside, with a black diagonal line.
SQUARE SIGNS:
6) Navy blue background with 1 person (black) crossing sidewalk.
ROUND SIGNS:
7) Red circle border with black arrow pointing left and a red diagonal line.
8) Red background and a white horizontal line thru it.
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* Northern Europe included Denmark, Norway and Sweden. All 8 of these road
signs were found in this set. These 8 road signs were produced for Sweden in
yellow plastic instead of white.
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Central Europe - #232 Road Sign Parts Pack (1956-58).*
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TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with railroad track
2) Red border with railroad locomotive.
3) Red border with 2 pedestrians (black) walking to the left.
4) Red border with 1 pedestrian (black) and a walkway.
5) Red border with a straight black line.
6) Red border with a zigzag black line with an arrow at the end.
TOP DOWN TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
7) Red border with blank inside (yield sign).
DIAMOND SHAPED SIGNS:
8) Black border with a yellow diamond inside.
9) Black border with a yellow diamond inside, with a black diagonal line.
SQUARE SIGNS:
10) Navy blue background with a large serif capital “P” in white.
11) Navy blue background with 1 person (black) crossing sidewalk.
ROUND SIGNS:
12) Red circle border with black arrow pointing left and a red diagonal line.
13) Red circle with upside down red triangle within and word “STOP” within.
14) Red background and a white horizontal line thru it.
15) Navy blue background with white horizontal arrow pointing right.
16) Red circle border with a navy blue background and a diagonal red line.
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* Central Europe included Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands,
and distant Portugal. All 16 of these road signs were found in each set.
___________________________________________________________________
EU/UK/USA/CAN - #232 Road Sign Parts Pack (1958-65).*
___________________________________________________________________
TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with railroad track
2) Red border with railroad locomotive.
3) Red border with 2 pedestrians (black) walking to the left.
4) Red border with 1 pedestrian (black) and a walkway.
5) Red border with a straight black line.
6) Red border with a zigzag black line with an arrow at the end.
7) Red border with a black “x”.
TOP DOWN TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
8) Red border with blank inside (yield sign).
9) Red border with a navy blue background inside with word “HALT” in white.
DIAMOND SHAPED SIGNS:
10) Red border with blank inside.
11) Black border with a yellow diamond inside.
12) Black border with a yellow diamond inside, with a black diagonal line.
SQUARE SIGNS:
13) Navy blue background with a large serif capital “P” in white.
14) Navy blue background with a large san serif capital “P” in white.
15) Navy blue background with 1 person (black) crossing sidewalk.
ROUND SIGNS:
16) Red circle border with a large black “P” inside, and a red diagonal line.
17) Red circle border with black arrow pointing left and a red diagonal line.
18) Red circle with upside down red triangle within and word “STOP” within.
19) Red background and a white horizontal line thru it.
20) Navy blue background with white horizontal arrow pointing right.
21) Red circle border with a navy blue background and a diagonal red line.
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* These styles of road signs were produced for Britain from 1960-62. These
styles of road signs were produced for Sweden in yellow plastic instead of
white. In continental Europe 16 random (but different) of the 21 styles of road
signs were found in the #232 sets. In Britain/Australia 8 random (but
different) of the 21 styles of road signs were found in the #232 sets. In
USA/Canada 15 random (but different) of the 21 styles of road signs were found
in the Samsonite #232 sets.
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Lego Road Sign Types - UK/AUS (1963-72).
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TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with 1 pedestrian and a walkway.
2) Red border with 2 black figures walking the right.
3) Red border with a black arrows pointing up (left) and down (right).
4) Red border with a black broken circle within (traffic circle).
5) Red border with a black line curving to the right.
6) Red border with a zigzag black line with an arrow at the end.
7) Red border with a black “+”.
SQUARE SIGNS:
8) Navy blue background with a large san serif capital “P” in white.
ROUND SIGNS:
9) Red circle with the number “30” in black inside.
10) Red circle with upside down red triangle within and word “STOP” within.
11) White circle with a thick black diagonal line running thru it.
12) Red background and a white horizontal line thru it.
13) Navy blue background with white horizontal arrow pointing right.
14) Red circle border with a navy blue background and a diagonal red line.
___________________________________________________________________
* These styles of road signs were produced for Britain and Australia from
1963-72. In both countries 8 random (but different) of the 14 styles were found
in the #232 sets.
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The first set that had these old road signs were the 1955-58 spare parts packs
#1240 and #1241, and 1956-58 spare parts pack #232. There were 16 signs in the
central European #232 spare parts pack, and 8 signs each in the northern
European #1240 and #1241 spare parts packs. When Lego arrived in USA/Canada in
1961/62, there were 15 road signs in the #232 USA and Canada Samsonite versions
of the #232 road signs parts pack. In the British version of #232 parts pack
(from 1960-62) there were 8 road signs.
Starting in 1963 the British version of the road signs changed to match their
own signage. The British/Australian #232 box was basically the same, but it now
had “Made in Great Britain” stamped on the side. The new type of British and
Australian road signs had a white base with a white pole. These signs were
different than those of continental Europe and USA/Canada. The British catalogs
of the 60’s (as late as 1972) show road signs with black and white stripes on
the pole. The British #232 box shows the striped poles as well. But there were
NEVER stripes, they are always plain white. Several British Lego collectors
have confirmed that their British #232 boxes always contained signs with plain
white poles. Even the #432 road sign boxes that replaced the #232 in 1966 shows
the striped signs on the box, but plain white signs were always found inside.
The first Lego sets that contained road signs were the 1957 #700 wooden box set.
Later all versions of the 1960-66 #810 Town Plan sets also had several road
signs. Although they are not pictured on the box, some packing variations of
the USA and Canada #725 Town Plan set actually had road signs in the box.
In 1966 the parts pack numbers changed. In continental Europe the road signs
parts pack was changed to #489, and there were now only 14 road signs. In
Britain/Australia the parts pack was changed to #432, and the number of road
signs remained at 8. In USA the old #232 road signs parts pack was discontinued
after 1966. There were no longer any old style road signs produced in USA. In
Canada #432 road signs/street lights set came into production. These were
produced until 1969, when the old style road signs were retired in Canada. In
Europe 1969 was the last year for the old road signs, and they were replaced the
following year by the new taller road signs. It is likely that the
British/Australian version of the old road signs stayed in production in
Britain/Australia until 1972, when they too were retired.
9.4 Tall Lego Road Signs (1969-94).
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Lego Tall Road Signs - Printed Types - EU/UK/AUS/USA/CAN (1969-94).
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TRIANGULAR SIGNS:
1) Red border with 1 pedestrian crossing.
2) Red border with 2 pedestrians crossing.
3) Red border with railroad locomotive.
4) Red border with a railroad track.
5) Red border with a car skidding on the pavement.
6) Red border with a black “t” (road junction ahead).
7) Red border with a black “x”.
8) Red border with a man digging into a mound.
9) Red border with a man digging into a mound, with another mound behind him.
EIGHT SIDED SIGNS:
10) Red background with “STOP” in white in the middle.
SQUARE SIGNS:
11) Navy blue background with a large capital “P” in white.
12) Navy blue background with a large capital “P” & “300 m” in white.
ROUND SIGNS:
13) Red circle border with black arrow pointing left and a red diagonal line.
14) Red background and a white horizontal line thru it.
15) Red circle border with a navy blue background and a diagonal red line.
16) Red circle border with a red car (left) and a black car (right).
17) Thin black circle border with 2 gray cars with 5 thin lines diagonally.
18) Red circle border with a black “30” inside.
19) Red circle border with a black “40” inside.
20) Thin black circle border with a gray “40” with 5 thin lines diagonally.
21) Red circle with upside down red triangle within and word “STOP” within.
22) White background with “Bus Stop” in black letters.
RECTANGULAR SIGNS:
23) White background with “Snack Bar” in black and a red arrow pointing left.
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