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(...) verdigris, according to www.webster.com, can be greenish or bluish, and is only secondarily associated with copper. patina, again according to Webster, is exactly the name of greenish, weather-aged copper. (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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Webster is out of date - patina simply means a weathered and/or age-darkened finish to antiquers, and can apply to copper, bronze, nickel, wood, etc, etc, etc. Weathered GREEN would make the most sense, as people would instantly know it is a shade (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) OED2 says: 1. A green or greenish blue substance obtained artificially by the action of dilute acetic acid on thin plates of copper (or a green rust naturally forming on copper and brass), and much used as a pigment, in dyeing, the arts, and (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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Tom Stangl, VFAQman <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:3A05C764.F18F44...faq.com... (...) age-darkened finish (...) etc. (...) it is a (...) "Verdigris" is pretty obvious in meaning, I think. You'd have to be (almost) illiterate not to make (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) This will become a FAQ anyway: what's verdigris? or, what do you call that pale doctor's office green color? will pop up regularly. I don't consider myself illiterate, but when we started the naming discussion, I immediately thought of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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Erik Olson wrote in message ... (...) discussion, I (...) splendid (...) from (...) That would be AMBERgris... Kevin (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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Picture a discussion that someone comes into. The color GREEN is never mentioned, just verdigris. So the person looks it up. Tell me how they are going to know whether the color being discussed is a muted greyish green, or a greenish-something, or a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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My dictionary says "[ME vertegrez, fr. OF vert de Grice, lit., green of Greece] (14c)" I assume for the bronze artworks. It predates Lego. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) The man has a point, which is valid for grey as well. Maybe we should just call it grey-green or greenish grey? ++Lar (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) This is a joke, right?..:-) Selçuk (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Well, verdi=green, but gris actually = Greece. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) If they don't get an accurate picture from the dictionary, that's the dictionary's fault. Verdigris isn't actually a hugely variable shade -- it's just that colors are hard to describe/define in words. Luckily, the definitions in the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) *shrug* I don't see any grey in it at all. Plus, verdi means green -- verdigris literally comes from the phrase "green of Greece". (And both dictionaries I looked in said so.) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) As an aside, Sunday morning on NPR's Weekend Edition a story mentioned 'verdigris' and 'patina' (and i thing 'aged copper') in the same sentance. Isn't it odd how once you hear or see a word it shows up 'everywhere'? Or maybe I'm just paying (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) In the circles I frequent, 'patina' is always qualified with a color name, like red patina, green patina, brown patina. Not that Lego is going to come out with all those nice colors. -Erik (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) But this Grece story is debatable, despite being reported in common dictionaries. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Right -- patina is the filmy layer, whereas verdigris is its color. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Like the OED. verdigris v@+-Rdigris. Forms: &ia.; 4 century verdegrez, 4-6 century -gres(e, 5 century -greys, 7 century -gresse, -griese, 7-8 century -grease; 5-6 century verdegrece, 6-7 century -greace, 7-8 century -greece; 6-9 century (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) I looked up the definitions. To paraphrase, "the color of patina is verdigris". Patina is a surface film. Verdigris is a color. Both are primarily associated with rusted copper, but Patina has broader usage, not related to color or metal. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) [snip] (...) #1 is also related to the color. (Ok, I've said enough on this. I'll shut up now. *grin*) (...) Calling it grey-green seems like calling pink grey-red. :) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) You have quoted the OED several times in this thread. Do you have a copy, work at a library with a copy, or (hopefully) have access to it online and can share the address? FU to off-topic.geek (though not techno geek, etymological geek) BEN (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Access online. It's restricted to Boston University though, so unfortunately sharing the link won't help you much. :( (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Yes, when I graduated from The College of Charleston <www.cofc.edu>, SC in 1994 all I had access to was the 20+ volume set of the OED that we had in the library. There was talk about the OED being available online or that it was being (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Try www.oed.com but i'll warn you, it's pretty salty from what I recall. Markus (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hey cool -- BU's subscription works there, and it's a much nicer interface than our primative gateway. :) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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