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| | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Peter White
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| | | | | (...) I was thinking along those lines too, but I think 'Liberty Green', due to the uniqueness of the Statue and the uniqueness (up to this point) of the set. We may never see these colour bricks elsewhere, though I hope we do. pete.w (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Julie Krenz
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| | | | | (...) I think keeping it simple like the rest of the color names is good. Here's a few more - faded green or weathered green. I wonder what TLC is calling it? I mean besides NEW :-) Julie (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | | Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Ben Gatrelle
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| | | | | | (...) I called Consumer Affairs and asked them what the name of the color is. They said they have no official name yet, they are just calling it "new green." I asked if it is scheduled to be in any other 2001 sets and he said he hadn't heard of any (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Ben Gatelle
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| | | | | | (...) Looking at the 2001 catalog pics posted here: (URL) it looks like this "Antique Green" is being used in <set:7311> on the back side of the "wings." So this color is not going to be exclusive to the Statue of Liberty set, even for 2001. BEN (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —John Kornhaus
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| | | | | | (...) The new green is used in several places on 7311 and in the little walker in the 7317 alien base. I like the name "verdigris" green I've seen mentioned in the Statue of Liberty posts. John AFOL and his money are soon parted. (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Brian Alano
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| | | | | | (...) verdigris, according to www.webster.com, can be greenish or bluish, and is only secondarily associated with copper. patina, again according to Webster, is exactly the name of greenish, weather-aged copper. (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | Webster is out of date - patina simply means a weathered and/or age-darkened finish to antiquers, and can apply to copper, bronze, nickel, wood, etc, etc, etc. Weathered GREEN would make the most sense, as people would instantly know it is a shade (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Paul Davidson
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| | | | | | | | Tom Stangl, VFAQman <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:3A05C764.F18F44...faq.com... (...) age-darkened finish (...) etc. (...) it is a (...) "Verdigris" is pretty obvious in meaning, I think. You'd have to be (almost) illiterate not to make (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | (...) This will become a FAQ anyway: what's verdigris? or, what do you call that pale doctor's office green color? will pop up regularly. I don't consider myself illiterate, but when we started the naming discussion, I immediately thought of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | | | | Erik Olson wrote in message ... (...) discussion, I (...) splendid (...) from (...) That would be AMBERgris... Kevin (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | Picture a discussion that someone comes into. The color GREEN is never mentioned, just verdigris. So the person looks it up. Tell me how they are going to know whether the color being discussed is a muted greyish green, or a greenish-something, or a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) The man has a point, which is valid for grey as well. Maybe we should just call it grey-green or greenish grey? ++Lar (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) *shrug* I don't see any grey in it at all. Plus, verdi means green -- verdigris literally comes from the phrase "green of Greece". (And both dictionaries I looked in said so.) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But this Grece story is debatable, despite being reported in common dictionaries. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Like the OED. verdigris v@+-Rdigris. Forms: &ia.; 4 century verdegrez, 4-6 century -gres(e, 5 century -greys, 7 century -gresse, -griese, 7-8 century -grease; 5-6 century verdegrece, 6-7 century -greace, 7-8 century -greece; 6-9 century (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Ben Gatelle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You have quoted the OED several times in this thread. Do you have a copy, work at a library with a copy, or (hopefully) have access to it online and can share the address? FU to off-topic.geek (though not techno geek, etymological geek) BEN (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Access online. It's restricted to Boston University though, so unfortunately sharing the link won't help you much. :( (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Ben Gatelle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, when I graduated from The College of Charleston <www.cofc.edu>, SC in 1994 all I had access to was the 20+ volume set of the OED that we had in the library. There was talk about the OED being available online or that it was being (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Try www.oed.com but i'll warn you, it's pretty salty from what I recall. Markus (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hey cool -- BU's subscription works there, and it's a much nicer interface than our primative gateway. :) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) If they don't get an accurate picture from the dictionary, that's the dictionary's fault. Verdigris isn't actually a hugely variable shade -- it's just that colors are hard to describe/define in words. Luckily, the definitions in the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Rick Kujawa
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| | | | | | | | | My dictionary says "[ME vertegrez, fr. OF vert de Grice, lit., green of Greece] (14c)" I assume for the bronze artworks. It predates Lego. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | (...) This is a joke, right?..:-) Selçuk (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, verdi=green, but gris actually = Greece. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) OED2 says: 1. A green or greenish blue substance obtained artificially by the action of dilute acetic acid on thin plates of copper (or a green rust naturally forming on copper and brass), and much used as a pigment, in dyeing, the arts, and (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | | (...) As an aside, Sunday morning on NPR's Weekend Edition a story mentioned 'verdigris' and 'patina' (and i thing 'aged copper') in the same sentance. Isn't it odd how once you hear or see a word it shows up 'everywhere'? Or maybe I'm just paying (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | (...) In the circles I frequent, 'patina' is always qualified with a color name, like red patina, green patina, brown patina. Not that Lego is going to come out with all those nice colors. -Erik (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Right -- patina is the filmy layer, whereas verdigris is its color. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) I looked up the definitions. To paraphrase, "the color of patina is verdigris". Patina is a surface film. Verdigris is a color. Both are primarily associated with rusted copper, but Patina has broader usage, not related to color or metal. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color name for Statue of Liberty Sculpture #3450 —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) [snip] (...) #1 is also related to the color. (Ok, I've said enough on this. I'll shut up now. *grin*) (...) Calling it grey-green seems like calling pink grey-red. :) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Gary Istok
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| | | | | (...) I agree that we should keep it simple. My favorite choices are: 1) Antique Green 2) Weathered Green 3) Dull Green Gary Istok (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Rose Regner
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| | | | | | Well according to the latest catalog, Lego is calling them new GREEN BRICKS. Rose Gary Istok wrote in message <39F057F0.406C3BAC@u...ch.edu>... (...) grey, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | [trimmed lugnet.lego.direct from ng list] (...) Hmm. So far, 'we' haven't really tried to deliberatly name anything.[1] So prior efforts may not be a good guide for future endevours. I feel like the common color names are getting over-used. How many (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Greg Majewski
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Steve Bliss writes: After awhile, there's only so many ways you can say (...) Hey, good point. Verdigris is my second choice. That reminds me.... Anyone see The Daily Show a few days ago?.. "Bob's answers appear in magenta on the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | How do you pronounce "verdigris?" (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) VerdehGREESE. Or verdehGRISSS. Or verdehgriss. Or even verdehGREE. It's flexible. :) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | If you want to say it properly, you should not pronounce the "s" :^) ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | Hmmm, I guess I'll stick with "NEW GREEN" Markus (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) And ten years from now, you'll be talking about the "newer green", and the "newest green", right? Steve (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | Yup! And after that it will be "Really New Green" and then "Really Really New Green" and then "Bride of New Green" and "Son of New Green" and then "Abbot and Costello meet New Green" and we all know that after you meet Abbot and Costello, it's all (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —John Matthews
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| | | | I didn't write what Greg quoted me as writing. I said, and as any good Architect[1] knows, the color is well known as 'patina green'. Build On! John Matthews [1] When I say Architect, I mean the kind of architect that designs buildings. Greg (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Jeremy Rear
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| | | | | I concur with John's description. As an architect myself, I would call it 'patina green' (depending of course on the real LEGO brick appearance). The Staute of liberty (according to architects and metalsmiths) is a pantina copper color (111 years (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Greg Majewski
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| | | | Ah... sorry. I was replying to all of the messages in general and yours happened to be the one I replied to. I guess I forgot to delete the first line.. (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | Does anyone think that this model of the statue coming out in the green color rather strange given that after it's restoration, the Statue of Liberty is now the color of new untarnished copper? I know it's rather strange, but if the original (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —John Matthews
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| | | | I am certain that the original designer of the Statue of Liberty understood that as copper ages it gains a patina. The patina actually helps to preserve the metal, and the color is quite remarkable. These are properties of copper that make it a (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | I know I am looking forward to the Liberty set more than any other expensive set I want. After the main model, it will be to work out some other copper or bronze monuments. And the roofs... Also "swimming pool color" places. (...) Modern times are (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | John Matthews <jmatthew@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:G2rGM7.JD7@lugnet.com... (...) understood (...) properties (...) How do you come to this conclusion? I'm not sure of the background of the designer, but I'm fairly certain that when (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | (...) Why not? Copper was used architecturally much earlier than that late 19th century. I'm sure *someone* noticed that the stuff turned green over time. :) As far as who sculpted it, it was Frederic Bartholdi (a French sculptor) who supposedly (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Rick Kujawa
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| | | | | (...) Time for me to weigh-in on this one. I remember seeing a show about the building of the Statue Of Liberty and they did know about the copper turning green and they specifically designed it using copper so it would turn green. They mainly chose (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) Verdigris here too. It's actually a common term at the moment because it's very "in" in home decorating and has been for several years. We just need to put it in the FAQ as another term which people may not know - after all, there are plenty (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Erik Olson
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| | | | (...) Thanks for retrieving those details from the mint! If you want to see bronze in green, blue, black, brown, even blue, red and other wacky colors, take a look at some ancient coins. Surf ebay -- they have a burgeoning ancient coin section that (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | Re: S@H exclusive minifigure has been shipped! (#3723) —Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | Erik Olson <olsone@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:G2st8L.HGF@lugnet.com... (...) metals, (...) primary (...) done by (...) Oh well, I guess unless some pigeons want to contribute a lot of it, the statue won't be getting that kind of tint again. (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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