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Re: Green Ship MOC
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Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:28:13 GMT
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Mr L F Braun wrote:
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> In lugnet.pirates, Frank Filz writes:
> > Mr L F Braun wrote:
> > > Stands to reason. But could not the larger class still be useful,
> > > if only for carrying capacity, speed, and hits to destroy? I'd
> > > be interested in hearing what the new difference would be, if any.
> >
> > I would be inclined to make the only change be that the number of cannon
> > doesn't jump. The hit points and initial crew for a battle game probably
> > do make sense to have the jump. Of course it's a limited issue in some
> > ways the way I will tend to be running the game since I'm not sure how
> > often the larger ships will come into play if we constantly do the
> > campaign game style. I'm hoping we can get a smoother running game, and
> > I think I will make it easier to get treasure so ship upgrades happen
> > more often.
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> That's a lot to balance, granted--and upon thinking about it,
> I agree that it's kind of silly to add cannon. After all,
> there's no added amount of broadside area, so why more guns?
>
> Regarding treasure, it might be easiest just to make merchant
> vessels easier to catch. For example, give a speed bonus to
> Pirate captains, or a speed "negative" to merchant ships. If
> you have certain designated merchant vessels that cannot be
> impressed as pirate ships directly but only sold off--for
> example, fluyts and merchant cutters--that can avoid the
> "rampaging Pirate fleet" effect. After all, the easiest way
> for pirates to get booty was to take ships; very often, they
> could not use the vessels themselves (or could only make one
> seaworthy).
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> > The other thought would be to have session to session continuity so that
> > over time you may get bigger ships (but make sure the game is
> > sufficiently destructive that you get reset often to avoid the 18th
> > level wizard problem).
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> I've thought about that too--it presumes of course a cadre
> of us who will play in every possible session (gee, I wonder
> who that would be...) which isn't hard to envision. If one
> either adds hazards to large ships, or makes the challenges
> rise all that much faster, it can help keep things in check.
> In reality, a few pirate cutters flitting about wouldn't
> have been too attention-getting, but a pirate frigate, that
> would have brought the Navy out in superior force. And a
> pirate cutter can disguise itself, whereas a known large
> outlaw ship would be very hard to pass off as anything but.
> They're all fairly unique, after all! And the larger a ship
> gets, the more pirates you need to run it, and thus the
> greater the likelihood that you'll have a disgruntled crewman...
>
> > I've also toyed with the idea of starting players with larger ships, but
> > then the cutters might not come into play very well (though perhaps
> > players could be started with 2 or 3 classes of ship).
>
> That's a possibility; I like the idea of a fleet that nibbles
> its opponents to death like a flock of ducks. What about the
> possibility that any ship not under direct control goes its
> own way? A necessity for keeping ships within LOS might
> be ideal.
>
> > I may have to consider thoughts on a battle game with enough campaign
> > style elements that people can start with several classes of ship, but
> > still encourage some of what I see as the good points of the campaign
> > game (one must realize that my interest in gaming has always been
> > campaign role playing, I've never been too much of one for traditional
> > war games).
>
> Ah. Well, I think as we'd done it we were set up for either
> campaign or battle royale.
>
> > > I'm glad you managed to get a bunch of those. I'm now wishing
> > > I hadn't gotten rid of all my Weapons Wagons. Wait, I still do
> > > have a couple unopened! (What sets did those pieces come in?)
> >
> > As far as I know, the only place the 1x4 plate with rod hooking down
> > have appeared in black have been pirate ships. I got my stock from
> > AucZilla or one of the other big parts auctions. I remember paying a
> > pretty penny for them, but I was willing to do so because I knew I
> > wanted to convert a bunch of older pirate ships to studs up spars. I was
> > ecstatic to see the part in the Axe Cart even if it was in red.
>
> Ah, it was the 1x4 with towball in the Weapons Wagon. Yes,
> those are rare bits indeed...none of the new sets have them
> either, I gather. :( I think I do have a few yellow ones,
> though--I'm not sure however.
Nope, not the 1x4 with towball either. The Weapons Wagon has 3 1x2 plate
with rod hooking up, and a cannon. The 1x4 plate with towball is
available in a couple recent (non-Pirate) sets: 5978 Sphynx Secret
Surprise (4 in brown), 6584 Extreme Team Challenge (4 in white). I also
bought a horde of black 1x4 plates with towball (those I think I got on
eBay). The good thing is that I'm building up a good collection of red
1x4 plates with towball, so I'll be having a bunch of ships with red
spars. The one thing I think I'm still missing (and I have no idea if it
exists) is 1x2 plate with 3 hinge fingers along one side in red. I also
only have one or two of the 1x6 (or is it 1x8) plate with 2 hinge
fingers at one end and 3 at the other end.
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
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