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(...) Slavery is not voluntary, and they CHOSE to participate, as did everyone else on staff. Staffing a convention is not employment, it is a voluntary service to better the hobby. In addition, the money is the *event's* money, not any one (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) From dictionary.com: em?bez?zle [em-bez-uhl] –verb (used with object), -zled, -zling. to appropriate fraudulently to one's own use, as money or property entrusted to one's care. Which leads to: fraud [frawd] –noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?)
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(...) That's an unrealistic expectation. (...) I look forward to your announcement of your own LEGO-related event, I'd like to see how that works for you. Good luck with that. (...) Tommy said it well... how can you embezzle your own money? (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Golly Pete In my opinion no monetary compensation for the event coordinator of a major event is akin to slavery. And that is very, very unethical. Once you pay your registration fee to an event you should have no say how, where, or to whom it (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Yes, it absolutely does. I expect every cent I put in to go back to the event itself, and not the people running it. The only compensation I expect any staffers to recieve is free entry to the event (since it is more work than play for most of (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) That was great! Thank you very much for posting the videos. (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) I'm not convinced of this at all. My estimations of the amount of money coming in does not match up with information I have been able to glean on costs. I am not privy to the financial details, and could be wrong, but I still have my (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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My almost 10 minute long video is ready. Sorry it's a week later than I said, but it's not my camera so I had to borrow it again. (URL) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Nor do I. In fact, I encourage it. That means there's even more specific motivation to make things bigger, better, more interesting, etc. (...) Dave, excellent point. (...) I think the reality is that in the earlier days, there was barely (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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Well, agree or not, Anthony's making a valid point. Some AFOLs may feel used or exploited if the event is a for-profit one, while others don't mind, so long as they get their money's worth. I think the problem is that people don't know. I guess (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) There you have it Todd and you people who want to put on an event in California--pretty much a blue print for what needs to be done (+ getting Jake's fingers a massage so he could keep typing). As I said when first started down this thread--I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Anthony, all due respect when I say this - I think you're woefully underestimating the time required to put on such an event. I'm in no way speaking for Christina or the BF volunteers, but I know from my own experience of trying to organize (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) As someone would has built a career on trying to understand why consumers/users/fans volunteer to help out the brands they love, this is a fascinating discussion! In order for the process of collaboration to work, what has to happen? Everbody (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I'm only going to speak (type?) for myself here. I came... because it was fun. A of fun. And I learned an amazing amount of things, and was deeply inspired by a lot of the things I saw (interpretation: I will steal a lot of cool ideas from the (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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Todd, I imagine that enough time has passed that the ghosts of Brickswest past have been exercised. I have worried for some time now that the negative way that BW ended has clouded how cool of an event this actually was. People flew in from all (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events)
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Anthony Wrote: (...) You are absolutely correct to this point (...) Well to many, including myself, a well run zoo is a cultural resource that has value and needs to be sustained and nurtured. Literally thousands of people volunteer their time and (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I don't work for the restaurant when I eat there. Thus this is not a valid comparison. Let's look at it this way: A regular venue, say, a business expo, the attendees are there for personal gain. They pay their entry fee and do their business (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Good question about volunteers. I think it's all about what's expected up front. There are all sorts of reasons why people volunteer for things... if I was doing the same thing as somebody who had a different "deal" with an organizer, I'd feel (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Anthony, I think you may be underestimating the amount of time and effort that goes into putting something like this on. Maybe not literally thousands of hours for any one person, but for somebody like Christina or Joe and maybe others too, (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?)
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(...) Jeff, Marc and all, By all means, let's have a frank, honest, transparent and civil discussion about this stuff now. My understanding is that the public days bring in (a projected amount of) money that helps keeping registration at the level (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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