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Re: Thoughts sought on final newlines
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lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac
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Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:18:18 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Jim DeVona wrote:
   A recent discussion lead me to observe that Bricksmith saves models without a final newline (ie, CRLF - no “line ending”):

  
   I tried the script out in Windows using cygwin, and it seems to work. Some observations:
  • Until prel3p 1.3 is released by Jim, I can’t be sure it works.

It does. It would work with Bricksmith’s step export, too, if Bricksmith included a final newline in its exported files. Until then, it’s easy enough to add newlines manually or with your favorite editor’s multi-file search & replace tool.

Since one line that ended differently from others lead to complications here, I wondered if it might elsewhere. I asked Allen if there was a reason that Bricksmith didn’t end the file with a newline. To clarify the perceived problem, I offered this example:

“if I append model B to model A, my expectation is that the result, model C, will be a valid model comprised of the parts from model A followed by the parts from model B. However, if model A does not conclude with a newline, the idiomatic

cat modelA.ldr modelB.ldr > modelC.ldr

will yield a malformed model C; the last line of A and the first line of B appear on the same line with no separation. cat has performed its duty diligently, but the literal concatenation of these files does not match the conceptual concatenation of models comprised of lines with discrete structure.”

In response, Allen suggested that I pose the question here:

“But I still think you should ask the people on lugnet.cad who know better, or can pontificate louder. I’m curious what they say.”

So, then, what do you say? Are there any good reasons for LDraw files to end with a line ending? The spec is silent, but it doesn’t specify anything about line endings in general, either (nevertheless, aren’t DOS CRLF line endings conventional?). Do other editors like ldglite, LeoCAD, MLCad, or LDraw itself save files with final newlines?

Note: this is not about whether or not final newlines are “better” than files without final newlines. I’m just curious about compatibility and consistency.

Jim

We had a discussion about this item some times ago. I can not find the thread right now. The conclusion was: The user should not mind about that, the programer should. So if you write a prog for LDraw compatible files, you should check for line endings like on mac or dos!! Also an end line is not needed, so the programer has to care about that. It is not so complicated to write a prog that fits for this. Before I use a file, I check for these points and write it back with what I intend it should be. I hope this answers your question. cu mikeheide



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(...) I echo Mike. This is a programmers issue (is it honestly that hard to check? I would say no) and not something that should be put into the spec. -Orion (17 years ago, 20-Oct-07, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac, FTX)

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A (URL) recent discussion> lead me to observe that Bricksmith saves models without a final newline (ie, CRLF - no "line ending"): (...) Since one line that ended differently from others lead to complications here, I wondered if it might elsewhere. I (...) (17 years ago, 19-Oct-07, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac, FTX)

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