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Re: Help needed: Are these parts really LEGO?
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In lugnet.cad, Dave Schuler wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > Please see my mpd file attached in http://news.lugnet.com/cad/?n=10951
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> Jeez, I can't believe I took so long to get back to you. What a fink I am!
No sweat. I had some other projects, so I didn't hold my breath waiting for you.
:)
> Anyway, these look like Byggis parts, insofar as they used similar grooved
> bricks in the Jurassic Park set I snagged on Ebay a few years ago. But I
> hesitate to suggest that these really are Byggis elements, because you were the
> one who identified a few of my own unknowns when I first encountered them:
> http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/clone-brands/?n=243
> So it seems likely to me that you'd have identified these as Byggis, too, if
> that's what they are.
>
> Do the grooved bricks have any logos on the studs? For that matter, do they
> have tubes on the underside, or are they hollow as indicated in the datfile you
> posted?
The bricks were made long before Byggis existed. The idea of grooves was yet
another thing that Byggis ripped off from LEGO, but Byggis had a different use
of the grooves. You see, in the very early days of LEGO, they made doors and
windows without studs. Pls see the attached mpd. And the groove was made to keep
those windows in place.
So LEGO really made bricks with grooves. Even though the studs were yet missing
the logo, a larger LEGO logo was at on the bottom inside! (I may try to make a
logo out of the LEGO logo pattern subfile someday...) So I know that the grooved
bricks are real LEGO, but the question is about the thin windows and doors. I
really hope LEGO made then, because this can add lots of coolness in various
buildings!
> If these *are* clones, would you like to submit them to the
> ever-delayed clone.dat library?
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> Thanks for sharing, in any case.
>
> Dave!
As always, my files are free for copying and editing and so on. If you would
like to make groovedd Byggis bricks, you are free to use my sub-parts if they
are at any help.
/Tore
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0 Some real vintage LEGO
0 Name: reallego.ldr
0 Author: Tore Eriksson
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