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| | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | (...) What about when someone has a terrible or very misguided idea, writes a module, uploads it, and everyone suffers? An obvious danger of a community owned site is that only a certain percentage of that community's ideas are going to be worth (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | (...) Yes, for AFOLs... but I'm under the impression that the various integrated community proposals encompass ALL LEGO fans, not just adults. (...) I can't speak for FBTB, but BZPower was created specifically because the target audience didn't (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | | (...) I do find it strange that this announcement was only posted to LUGNET and not any of the other LEGO related boards. If this is meant to bring together all online LEGO communities I would think that the announcement would be made on the other (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe they assumed we'd see it here. I can kind of see the first announcement being here, since Lugnet does act as a de facto hub, but future developments will require a lot of serious outreach before anything goes much further - from whatever (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think getting the buy-in should happen very early or else people in the other groups are going to feel as if they are second class citizens in the process. I think the fact that it was only posted to LUGNET just highlights the fact that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I completely agree. (...) Well, Lugnet serves as A hub, certainly - for a subset of the total online LEGO audience. That's not to say there couldn't be a more comprehensive one created. Right now all I've seen are fairly vague proposals... I (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) Once there is something to show, it should of course be announced widely to the online LEGO fan community. But this was (at least from my point of view) more thought as a follow-up to the WorldLUG discussion than a full (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm not so sure that it shouldn't be the other way around. Fans of specific themes have gone out and organized their own sites because Lugnet wasn't enough for them, for whatever reason. I'd say well over half the original lugnet.castle posts (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Classic-Castle is a nice site, but its forum software is nasty. How did this "BB" style forum software take over the web? Ugh. It's a lot like a trying to have a conversation using a *literal* bulletin board and post-it notes. And Young People (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | (...) "Lugnet is a nice site, but the forum software is ugly. How on earth are you supposed to read all this text? It's ugly, there's no attempt to make it interesting or highlight what's important..." Not that I actually think that, but remember (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Oddly, the things you pick out are exactly the reasons I think Lugnet's design is superior. It uses color well to pick out meaningful information, and it's got a very clever graphical representation of each thread. (...) Plently of color, few (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I like the thread thing, but I haven't really missed it at Classic-Castle. I imagine that more specific topic areas and enforcement keeps threads from becoming wandering safari hunts sometimes strewn over numerous forums. The graphic avatars (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Sure. And worse. Like I said, *BB isn't very nice. (...) Now there's a non sequitur. Are you suggesting that virtual reality immerse chatrooms will replace discussion boards? Probably eventually, but not completely -- and, y'know, not in a (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) And like I said, I disagree (but at least we agree on the boring part). :-) (...) What part of "boring" didn't you parse? :-) I shall be more forceful in my comparison, Maximum Borosity. (all those who never saw the phrase "maximum verbosity" (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hey, if you like boring, that's fine with me. To each his own, and all. (...) So, basically, you think BB style forums will die out? Or do you mean that both BB and Lugnet will be replaced by the futuristic VR chatrooms I mentioned? (...) But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You seem confused - I was refering to Lugnet's visual appearance. (...) Yup, confused. Sorry if I wasn't clear along the way. I meant Lugnet was a step up visually from r.t.l., as newer boards are a step up visually from Lugnet. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | [ followup-to .publish.html, since this isn't generally interesting. :) ] (...) And that is indeed why I'm confused. I was referring to the phpBB on Classic-castle in the paragraph you quoted. Like all such BB forums, it basically has a big monotone (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) And let me be super-clear here for anyone just jumping in -- Classic-Castle is a nifty site and I have nothing against them. I'm just mentioning their forum as an example. And I understand that phpBB is nice and open source and free and easy (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, heck, maybe I'm confused and that confused you in turn. I don't spend that much time at the two levels you mention at C-C, so they don't bother me. They give me the minimum clutter to move on to where I want to go. Not that I actually go (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) * big big big snip * (...) I hadn't actually intended to weigh the pros and cons of text vs. graphical community systems; what I was really trying to get across was there are different presentations for different audiences. The audience of (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Without saying that you are wrong in that assessment, let me ask on what basis do you make that claim? If Lugnet is the final answer, why do other sites start? Do those that prefer it do so simply because Lugnet is all they know? Is it really (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Nah, you can draw on a post-it note. You can even use colored pencils. :) What I mean by "post-it note style" is that there's a big, grid-like board, and conversation happens by people coming and putting a note into the general area of the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jason Spears
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't need my newsgroups to be pretty. Boring can be ok. (1) I need them to be usable, full of content (ie text) and provide me links to the pretty pictures I want to look at. (1)Apparently LEGO thinks old grey and realistic castles are (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jeff Szklennik
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Matthew Miller wrote: SNIP (...) I don't like the one-post-under-the-o...n-one-page bulletin boards if that's what you're talking about-they are AWEFUL. LUGnet posting/thread setup is FAR superior in the fact that it is FAR more (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yup, them's the ones. (...) Yeah, but it's neat for them to show up right next to everyone's posts. Or are people doing that in their sigs? I guess I hadn't really noticed since I read/post via NNTP 97% of the time because I *do* like text (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti
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| | | | | | | | (...) The simple answer to that is that it took over the web because it is freely available and easy to setup. phpBB, which classic-castle uses, comes with cPanel (and possibly other such programs) which is used by hosting companies to set up shared (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, fair enough. I didn't really mean to slam your work; I just wouldn't like a BB-style forum to "replace" the Lugnet group. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm secretly hoping these LEGOfan.net guys come up with a better system! I'm already looking to upgrade the chat system at CC, so it wouldn't be a problem for me to upgrade the Forums as well. Assuming that something BETTER then what we have (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) It will not happen. We will still have to have a competent group of system administrators checking if new modules are up to par, before they can go into the central LEGOFan.net site. But if a developer creates a really cool (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Abe Friedman
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| | | | | | | <snip> (...) system (...) central (...) to his (...) <snip> It sounds like anyone can take the entire contents of LEGOFan.net and create their own version. This doesn't sound right to me. I understand that the server side code to display the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's also exactly what I wrote. (...) Why? It will really push the group operating LEGOFan.net to keep doing their best. Isn't that good? (...) Why? (...) That's what I wrote. LEGOFan.net will of course not be able to force other sites to do (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) What about the official Lego exclusive pictures/releases, etc., alluded to in the original announcement? (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jennifer L. Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) To be fair, since nothing's set in stone, this is a little hard to answer 100% guarenteed. It is, however, what our current planning is based on. Jennifer Boger (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, sorry -- not trying to be unfair. I'm just curious about how that'll all work out. (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) That is one of those tricky problems we haven't resolved yet. But I can say as much as that LEGO hasn't said no to it yet (although I expect they will). No matter what, the rights I imagine are important for LEGO (that other people don't (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | (...) The courts of the US have repeatedly upheld the distinction of infrastructure vs. content. For example, spammers using an ISP to send millions of non-solicited emails are liable for their actions, while the ISP is not (unless the ISP knowingly (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | (...) Have I rejected that distinction anywhere? (...) Yes. Have I ever claimed anything else? (...) Wrong. They would have to give LFN a license to distribute their work, just as you have given Lugnet a license to distribute your work, when you (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | (...) Not that I've seen. However, this comment was in reply to your asking why content was different than code, which I hadn't seen addressed elsewhere. (...) Actually, the Lugnet T&Cs reserve Lugnet's right to redistribute all content posted, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | (...) No! Read them carefully. They do among other things say: »Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.« That is just the same as the sublicensing (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | Firstly, thanks to Jacob for responding to my concerns (and those of others) and explaining things a bit more. (...) OK, I am relieved to hear that LEGOfan.net would not simply accept any new code without some sort of evaluation process. Still, that (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels
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| | | | | | | (...) I think one thing that's being missed here is that you wouldn't be forced to use ANY of the features. There would be a basic 'start-up' set of features from which each individual person could choose which features they want to use from a large (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | (...) OK, that makes sense, if that's how it'll work. @8^) -Brendan (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Sabath
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.org, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) Brendan, In my experience, opensource projects are generally only successfully forked when the community of users has a deep problem with the original project. This problem can be as simple as (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) In practice yes (although the current oligarchy is not in complete agreement about all details of this :-). It could for example be a self-supplementing group or a group appointed through some kind of democratic process. (...) Since it is not (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)
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| | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Simonson
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| | | | (...) Icky. What about when amatures come in and write code that is... laughable... at best. Then you have a website made of mangled, chaotic code that definetly does not help the community at all. Poor commenting, bad structure, inefficent (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Trevyn Watson
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| | | | | (...) I saw someone else raise this point as well, and I don't recall reading a response so I thought I would jump in to the fray. It's quite simple. If someone writes bad code, it doesn't get incorporated in to the system. Why should it? It's also (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Peter Howkins
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| | | | (...) I'm a professional Software Engineer with 3 years of PHP and mysql experience, were I to log in and discover poorly commented, badly structured, inefficent code I don't think I'd laugh, I think I'd fix it. As a community, I think you are (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)
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