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LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Richard Morton     Hi everyone, For some time now, a group of us have been discussing the concept of a LEGO site that the community could truly call its own-- community owned, designed, and operated. To this end, we have been endeavoring for more than half a year to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !!                 Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Don Heyse       (...) I have to ask: Since Lego the company seems to be involved, does this central hub exclude the use of bricks manufactured by other companies? Don (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels         (...) Well considering the name is LEGOfan.net, I somehow believe the answer is yes. :P Not that there couldn't be a seperate clone section though. --SteveR (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Bliss         (...) <tongue-in-cheek> I'm sure LEGOFan.net will be at least as scrupulous about clone bricks as LEGO Magazine is.... </tongue-in-cheek> Steve (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Aaron West         (...) Bah! They wouldn't even know. With all the color variations, parts variations and other smokescreen construction tidbits I could get away with a clone in every MOC if I really put my brick to it. The Mania magazine doesn't even make that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) It is not something that has been discussed so far, but I am pretty sure the answer will be that it does not exclude clone bricks. Play well, Jacob (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mark Papenfuss       -snip newsgroup flooding- (...) I would be very surprised if Lego let you use "Lego" in the URL for the site. They are pretty tough on these things - and if they let you do it they will be opening one heck of a can of worms. Because IF they let you (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Jake McKee       (...) Mark, you are certainly correct that we have a policy of not allowing unauthorized uses of "LEGO" in the domain name. It is very important that consumers are clear who has developed the site, and using "LEGO" in the domain tends to tell people (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mark Papenfuss         (...) Oh ya - it does. And more power to them. It *is* a good thing that Lego is reaching out and helping. Can you also address the points Kelly had here (URL) like the 2 projects kinda mirror each other a bit. Now something needs to be done about (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Suzanne Rich Green         This is all news to me. I would like to talk w/you offline, Jake - because, AFAIK, Todd is also ignorant of this Official shift off. In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote: ... (...) I'll be interested in learning more about The LEGO Company's (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tim Deering         In lugnet.general, Suzanne Rich Green wrote: snip (...) snip Indeed. Dr. Terrible (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tom McDonald         (...) It does seem that way to me as well. I was just wondering how long it can take to become a Lugnet member these days... -Tom McD. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Todd Lehman         (...) Zing! "Well played" as Sandlin would say. (...) D'Oh! Tom, are you still left hanging? As far as I'm aware, all the pending applications are processed up through I think Tuesday (two days ago). Of course, I may be unaware (ignorant!) of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)                    1 Question: assurances & limitations [Re: LEGOFan.net - central community... ] —Scott Arthur       (...) Jake can you clarify this? I expect ‘support’ and use of the word “lego” in the url has been given subject to assurances or limitations with regard the content of the site. If possible, I’d be interested to know what those assurances or (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                    Re: 1 Question: assurances & limitations [Re: LEGOFan.net - central community... ] —Jacob Sparre Andersen       (...) Actually not. What we _have_ discussed is to make it possible for parents to decide that some classes of content is unsuitable for their children, and for users of the site to decide some age limits for access to content/discussion groups they (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                      Re: 1 Question: assurances & limitations [Re: LEGOFan.net - central community... ] —Paul Hartzog       (...) one of the points made by Brad Justus in the original WorldLUG discussion was that kid-oriented information is mired in a morass of legal difficulties particularly in Europe. There are laws about what you can show them, what you can ask them, (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.lego)                    Re: 1 Question: assurances & limitations [Re: LEGOFan.net - central community... ] —Tobbe Arnesson         (...) To my understanding the laws that has to be obeyed are the ones in which the server stands. (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.lego)                    Re: 1 Question: assurances & limitations —Jacob Sparre Andersen       (...) I have a somewhat different view of things. I would rather block access to my server from the USA than having to be responsible for its content according to laws in the USA. (...) Only sensible rules. And they are basically the same for (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.lego)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan       (...) This sounds quite a bit like the WorldLUG concept discussed several days ago, in essence. Is this a parallel type of project, or could the two be combined? (...) This almost sounds like an ILTCO-type organization, except it would encompass all (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) I agree that it seems to be quite a bit like WorldLUG. And yes, I suppose the two projects could be combined. As far as I know, both projects want to build an open structure, where everybody can take part, so it is hard to (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Ray Sanders       (...) Open Source and Open Content licenses have similar goals but different structures because of the focus of the license. I'm still unclear about what control you are referring to here thay may need to be relaxed. Do Todd and Suz own all the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       (...) Yes. Or rather; they own the copy of the content stored on Lugnet and are free to do practically whatever they want to do with it. (...) You do. But you have given a copy away to Lugnet. (...) My point is that in case Lugnet is about to go (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       [ adding .general, .admin.general, follow-up to .admin.general ] (...) Actually: I've been worried about this for a very long time, ever since back when I was worried that this fancy new Lugnet thing would kill RTL. [*] So, I've asked Todd for (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Ondrew Hartigan       (...) ok am I to understand that this is meant to bring all of the independent sites together such as lugnet, bricklink ,peeron, ldraw, brickset, fbtb, brickshelf and all of the other major sites onto one site similar to the iltco who is bringing (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) To the extent that these sites are interested, yes. Nobody should be - or feel - forced to join LEGOFan.net. I hope there also in the future will appear new independent LEGO fan sites. But they should now have to option of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jeff Szklennik       (...) SNIP (...) I'm not trying to be a wet towel, but I've always viewed LUGnet as the 'center portal' or 'hub' of the lego community--it functions as exactly that, AND a discussion site. Secondly, Lugnet already fits the "concept of a LEGO site (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mike Kollross         Snippage (...) I agree. Why not make Lugnet the single point of contact for the LEGO fan base. We all come here any way. LEGOfan.net sounds redundant or am I missing something? Mike (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan           (...) As central as Lugnet is to portions of the online LEGO community, I believe there are other audiences that consider themselves LEGO fans, who would benefit from a more structured interconnected community than Lugnet provides. It would makes (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jeff Szklennik           (...) why not just add a few new links/rearranging the front/homepage of LUGnet to make the central portal for the community? Jeff (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Boger         (...) The main reason is that LUGNET is not owned and run by the community. I love LUGNET, and I think Todd (and Suz, before she retired) did a great job in setting it up and running it. However, development on LUGNET can only be done by invitation. (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !                         Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith           (...) What about when someone has a terrible or very misguided idea, writes a module, uploads it, and everyone suffers? An obvious danger of a community owned site is that only a certain percentage of that community's ideas are going to be worth (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan             (...) Yes, for AFOLs... but I'm under the impression that the various integrated community proposals encompass ALL LEGO fans, not just adults. (...) I can't speak for FBTB, but BZPower was created specifically because the target audience didn't (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —James Trobaugh             (...) I do find it strange that this announcement was only posted to LUGNET and not any of the other LEGO related boards. If this is meant to bring together all online LEGO communities I would think that the announcement would be made on the other (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan               (...) Maybe they assumed we'd see it here. I can kind of see the first announcement being here, since Lugnet does act as a de facto hub, but future developments will require a lot of serious outreach before anything goes much further - from whatever (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —James Trobaugh               (...) I think getting the buy-in should happen very early or else people in the other groups are going to feel as if they are second class citizens in the process. I think the fact that it was only posted to LUGNET just highlights the fact that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan               (...) I completely agree. (...) Well, Lugnet serves as A hub, certainly - for a subset of the total online LEGO audience. That's not to say there couldn't be a more comprehensive one created. Right now all I've seen are fairly vague proposals... I (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen             [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) Once there is something to show, it should of course be announced widely to the online LEGO fan community. But this was (at least from my point of view) more thought as a follow-up to the WorldLUG discussion than a full (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd             (...) I'm not so sure that it shouldn't be the other way around. Fans of specific themes have gone out and organized their own sites because Lugnet wasn't enough for them, for whatever reason. I'd say well over half the original lugnet.castle posts (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller             (...) Classic-Castle is a nice site, but its forum software is nasty. How did this "BB" style forum software take over the web? Ugh. It's a lot like a trying to have a conversation using a *literal* bulletin board and post-it notes. And Young People (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan               (...) "Lugnet is a nice site, but the forum software is ugly. How on earth are you supposed to read all this text? It's ugly, there's no attempt to make it interesting or highlight what's important..." Not that I actually think that, but remember (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller               (...) Oddly, the things you pick out are exactly the reasons I think Lugnet's design is superior. It uses color well to pick out meaningful information, and it's got a very clever graphical representation of each thread. (...) Plently of color, few (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd                 (...) I like the thread thing, but I haven't really missed it at Classic-Castle. I imagine that more specific topic areas and enforcement keeps threads from becoming wandering safari hunts sometimes strewn over numerous forums. The graphic avatars (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                   (...) Sure. And worse. Like I said, *BB isn't very nice. (...) Now there's a non sequitur. Are you suggesting that virtual reality immerse chatrooms will replace discussion boards? Probably eventually, but not completely -- and, y'know, not in a (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd                   (...) And like I said, I disagree (but at least we agree on the boring part). :-) (...) What part of "boring" didn't you parse? :-) I shall be more forceful in my comparison, Maximum Borosity. (all those who never saw the phrase "maximum verbosity" (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                   (...) Hey, if you like boring, that's fine with me. To each his own, and all. (...) So, basically, you think BB style forums will die out? Or do you mean that both BB and Lugnet will be replaced by the futuristic VR chatrooms I mentioned? (...) But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd                   (...) You seem confused - I was refering to Lugnet's visual appearance. (...) Yup, confused. Sorry if I wasn't clear along the way. I meant Lugnet was a step up visually from r.t.l., as newer boards are a step up visually from Lugnet. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                   [ followup-to .publish.html, since this isn't generally interesting. :) ] (...) And that is indeed why I'm confused. I was referring to the phpBB on Classic-castle in the paragraph you quoted. Like all such BB forums, it basically has a big monotone (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish.html)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                     (...) And let me be super-clear here for anyone just jumping in -- Classic-Castle is a nifty site and I have nothing against them. I'm just mentioning their forum as an example. And I understand that phpBB is nice and open source and free and easy (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd                   (...) Well, heck, maybe I'm confused and that confused you in turn. I don't spend that much time at the two levels you mention at C-C, so they don't bother me. They give me the minimum clutter to move on to where I want to go. Not that I actually go (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan                     (...) * big big big snip * (...) I hadn't actually intended to weigh the pros and cons of text vs. graphical community systems; what I was really trying to get across was there are different presentations for different audiences. The audience of (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)                                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd                     (...) Without saying that you are wrong in that assessment, let me ask on what basis do you make that claim? If Lugnet is the final answer, why do other sites start? Do those that prefer it do so simply because Lugnet is all they know? Is it really (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)                                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                   (...) Nah, you can draw on a post-it note. You can even use colored pencils. :) What I mean by "post-it note style" is that there's a big, grid-like board, and conversation happens by people coming and putting a note into the general area of the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html)                                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jason Spears                 (...) I don't need my newsgroups to be pretty. Boring can be ok. (1) I need them to be usable, full of content (ie text) and provide me links to the pretty pictures I want to look at. (1)Apparently LEGO thinks old grey and realistic castles are (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jeff Szklennik               In lugnet.general, Matthew Miller wrote: SNIP (...) I don't like the one-post-under-the-o...n-one-page bulletin boards if that's what you're talking about-they are AWEFUL. LUGnet posting/thread setup is FAR superior in the fact that it is FAR more (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller               (...) Yup, them's the ones. (...) Yeah, but it's neat for them to show up right next to everyone's posts. Or are people doing that in their sigs? I guess I hadn't really noticed since I read/post via NNTP 97% of the time because I *do* like text (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti             (...) The simple answer to that is that it took over the web because it is freely available and easy to setup. phpBB, which classic-castle uses, comes with cPanel (and possibly other such programs) which is used by hosting companies to set up shared (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller             (...) Yeah, fair enough. I didn't really mean to slam your work; I just wouldn't like a BB-style forum to "replace" the Lugnet group. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti             (...) I'm secretly hoping these LEGOfan.net guys come up with a better system! I'm already looking to upgrade the chat system at CC, so it wouldn't be a problem for me to upgrade the Forums as well. Assuming that something BETTER then what we have (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen           [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) It will not happen. We will still have to have a competent group of system administrators checking if new modules are up to par, before they can go into the central LEGOFan.net site. But if a developer creates a really cool (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Abe Friedman             <snip> (...) system (...) central (...) to his (...) <snip> It sounds like anyone can take the entire contents of LEGOFan.net and create their own version. This doesn't sound right to me. I understand that the server side code to display the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen             (...) That's also exactly what I wrote. (...) Why? It will really push the group operating LEGOFan.net to keep doing their best. Isn't that good? (...) Why? (...) That's what I wrote. LEGOFan.net will of course not be able to force other sites to do (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller               (...) What about the official Lego exclusive pictures/releases, etc., alluded to in the original announcement? (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jennifer L. Boger                 (...) To be fair, since nothing's set in stone, this is a little hard to answer 100% guarenteed. It is, however, what our current planning is based on. Jennifer Boger (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller                 (...) Yeah, sorry -- not trying to be unfair. I'm just curious about how that'll all work out. (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen               (...) That is one of those tricky problems we haven't resolved yet. But I can say as much as that LEGO hasn't said no to it yet (although I expect they will). No matter what, the rights I imagine are important for LEGO (that other people don't (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan             (...) The courts of the US have repeatedly upheld the distinction of infrastructure vs. content. For example, spammers using an ISP to send millions of non-solicited emails are liable for their actions, while the ISP is not (unless the ISP knowingly (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen             (...) Have I rejected that distinction anywhere? (...) Yes. Have I ever claimed anything else? (...) Wrong. They would have to give LFN a license to distribute their work, just as you have given Lugnet a license to distribute your work, when you (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan             (...) Not that I've seen. However, this comment was in reply to your asking why content was different than code, which I hadn't seen addressed elsewhere. (...) Actually, the Lugnet T&Cs reserve Lugnet's right to redistribute all content posted, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen             (...) No! Read them carefully. They do among other things say: »Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.« That is just the same as the sublicensing (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith           Firstly, thanks to Jacob for responding to my concerns (and those of others) and explaining things a bit more. (...) OK, I am relieved to hear that LEGOfan.net would not simply accept any new code without some sort of evaluation process. Still, that (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels             (...) I think one thing that's being missed here is that you wouldn't be forced to use ANY of the features. There would be a basic 'start-up' set of features from which each individual person could choose which features they want to use from a large (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brendan Powell Smith             (...) OK, that makes sense, if that's how it'll work. @8^) -Brendan (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Sabath             In lugnet.org, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) Brendan, In my experience, opensource projects are generally only successfully forked when the community of users has a deep problem with the original project. This problem can be as simple as (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen           (...) In practice yes (although the current oligarchy is not in complete agreement about all details of this :-). It could for example be a self-supplementing group or a group appointed through some kind of democratic process. (...) Since it is not (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Simonson         (...) Icky. What about when amatures come in and write code that is... laughable... at best. Then you have a website made of mangled, chaotic code that definetly does not help the community at all. Poor commenting, bad structure, inefficent (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Trevyn Watson           (...) I saw someone else raise this point as well, and I don't recall reading a response so I thought I would jump in to the fray. It's quite simple. If someone writes bad code, it doesn't get incorporated in to the system. Why should it? It's also (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Peter Howkins         (...) I'm a professional Software Engineer with 3 years of PHP and mysql experience, were I to log in and discover poorly commented, badly structured, inefficent code I don't think I'd laugh, I think I'd fix it. As a community, I think you are (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) Reading the announcement, I must agree that LEGOFan.net seems redundant. But some things didn't get into the announcement; things _I_ believe will make LEGOFan.net (and WorldLUG as I understand it) significantly different (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) [Okay, but leaving .general and putting in .admin.general] (...) Which I'm a big fan of. What software, and how far along is it? (...) Also good! [snip] (...) So, sounds like you intend to duplicate a lot of the functionality of Lugnet. Have (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen         (...) Dan will start throwing heavy stuff across the Atlantic, if I claim it is vapor-ware at the moment, but it is at least not in a usable state yet. Basically (and possibly not quite correctly) it is a content management system with access (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Chris Gray           (...) That sounds like mostly server-side stuff. Have you figured out yet what you are going to require from clients (users)? The reason I ask is that I'm an old-fashioned soul, and am unlikely to use discussion groups that are not NNTP-reachable, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Boger             (...) I think any standards compliant browser should work for the website, oh, and IE. We do want to implement an NNTP interface as well as an SMTP, for as much content as possible. My personal philosophy is that javascript can be used only to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general) !                             Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen           (...) It is. (...) As little as possible. We want to make the content accessible in as many different ways as possible, but preferably using existing protocols like NNTP, SMTP and NNTP. (...) You sound like a Jacob clone. :-) But it could be fun to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan           (...) Which part of the community, specifically? General LEGO fans? Webmasters of other LEGO-related fan web sites? (...) Why? Although I have been vocal in my opinion that Lugnet is not the perfect LEGO hub site, since it deals with a subset of (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general) !                             Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tim Courtney           In lugnet.org, Kelly McKiernan wrote: [snip the rest of what Kelly said] (...) As Jake explained LEGOfan (the concept, the reasons for it) to me, I think its a great idea. It coincides with much of what the WorldLUG concept posted, so I'm encouraged (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general) !                             Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tim Courtney           (...) Does anyone care to answer Kelly's original post? I'm curious. (URL) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) Well, if it comes down to it, there's a reason the Lugnet groups are all in a lugnet hierarchy. But as you may have gathered from my other posts, I'm strongly in favor of not duplicating discussion forums. (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tim Courtney         (...) (don't have much time, leaving for the airport momentarily) You outline some very good principles for the project. My interpretation of the WorldLUG project (which I have been involved in discussion since its inception [1]) is now it is public (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Paul Coombs         |Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote: | |"In a sense it _is_ a slap in the face to Lugnet and Todd. Lugnet isn't |open for anybody to experiment with the software and try to develop new |features. Nor is it controlled by the LEGO fan community, it is (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jason Spears           (...) Ok, all this talk about a "slap in the face" or being "disrespectful" has got to stop. Lugnet isn't being improved/developed. It is stagnet. Furthermore Todd has (URL) said> that other sites being created and providing resources to the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, FTX)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Benjamin Medinets           (...) Actually, in a lot of respects, Classic-Castle.com drew interes to Lugnet. The goal of Classic-Castle was to improve the on-line experience of the Lego Castle Community, not compete with Lugnet. After Brickfest, there was a general consensus (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general, FTX)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Thomas Garrison         (...) Incorrect. To the best of my knowledge, the only person who has the stated right to moderate anything (specifically, newsgroup posts, since I can't figure out to what else the verb could apply) is Todd Lehman, who has only used that power to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson         (...) There's also Larry P and that other guy (whom I can't remember and am to lazy to search for). (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        LUGNET Moderation —Thomas Garrison         (...) As I recall, Larry and Frank Filz have the power to cancel a user's posts at the request of that user, but do *not* have the authority to cancel them as a moderator would (i.e., because the content violates the ToS). (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Todd Lehman       (...) Seriously, I think it is excellent that you are willing/able to take things in directions that I couldn't/can't. I wish the best for you and your team. --Todd (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org) !                 Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mike Walsh       "BrikTrak.com" <rjmorton@AT4imprintNOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:Hsxwnq.1III@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) if (...) Having been down a similar path with ILTCO I can certainly appreciate the "getting launched" aspect of an effort such (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) I'd rather see this new site point to Lugnet for the discussion forums. It's quite well done here, and there's little point in spreading everyone out. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kevin Wilson           Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) Ditto to both. I don't what YAFGTR (Yet Another Fan Group to Read), but if I have to, please PLEASE make it NNTP accessible. Take into account that the posting rate on LUGNET goes WAY down when NNTP is out (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kevin Salm         (...) True. Lugnet discussion forums are excellent. And the ability to access via HTTP, SMTP, and NNTP is probably unique and not done anywhere else online. Where Lugnet totally missed the boat was with _PRIVATE_ message boards. Lugnet never created (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) Not necessarily too late for this to be added.... (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen         [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) In the long run we hope to share data - or at least have a stronger integration than just links - with other LEGO fan sites. But the initial release will probably just link to most of these sites. (...) We expect that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Dan Boger       (...) Thanks! (...) The idea is that LEGOFan will be very closely integrated with the other sites. We would love to both incorporate external data, and share any data we have locally. Our goal is not to replace anyone, or push any other site out of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Aaron West       (...) That all sounds good. Just don't let Jake force you to focus on Trains and hog up all the space for that theme! ;o) I'd like to see something that has real news, focus on current and upcoming product and the good product history. We also need (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) In what ways do we not have that forum with Lugnet? Although I use the NNTP interface, I find the web interface to be one of the best of any www-discussion forum out there. *Especially* when it comes to threads. [followup-to .general and (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Chris Paton       Hi everyone Please forgive my ignorance but could someone explain what LUGNET is if it does not meet the description of a LEGO fansite? I have read some of the posts regarding WorldLUG and now LEGOFan.net but I may be missing something here. Also, (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —James Stacey       <playing devils advocate here> I think the main issue is fantastic resource tho it is, it is still a privately owned website. Despite the huge fan involvement in the site it remains private property. Todd is at total liberty to do as he wishes with (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) So, to, I guess, play the *other* devil's advocate: I'm concerned about how this new thing will be *both* genuinely community-run _and_ Official Lego Company Sponsored. I don't know the details -- and may even be completely wrong, but it's my (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                      Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Marc Nelson, Jr.         (...) I think that this is a real problem with the proposed new site. What are the chances that a site with official TLC backing will allow discussion of pictures in dealer catalogs? Or 'leaks'? Who knows if such a site would even allow criticism of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson           Moved to lugnet.org (...) Those things are NOT allowed on LUGNET either, we just do it anyway - with some discretion :) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Anthony Sava         (...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the current forum on www.LEGO.com have a pretty hefty amount of modding? I remember reading when I first went there that no links to outside websites would be allowed, and all forum posts would be edited (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         [follow-to to .org, since that's where other people seem to be redirecting] (...) It has a really funny "Moderated for safety; Cool!" logo. I printed it out really big for our security team here. :) (URL) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Jake McKee         (...) There are a couple of reasons that there isn't more "corporate" presence on LUGNET. First and most important, the owners of the site have by and large declined it. Like you mentioned, the reason for this was to stay independent, and as far as (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !!                         Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Ray Sanders           (...) snip (...) I think you may be referring to a particular class of traffic here which (at least in the past) has caused a maximum of issues (i.e. cf [1]). Those types of messages *do* need to be moderated if you are operating in a sphere (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Bliss           (...) My understanding is that LEGO would like to have a site that they can feel comfortable sending traffic (kids and adults), but which they don't control and aren't responsible for. This site (LEGOFan) could include content (such as offsite (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller           [ -> .org ] (...) So what would be available to not-logged-in users? Greatest common factor? From a pragmatic standpoint, that seems like that'll dramatically chop the usefulness of the site -- imagine if Google only showed Kid-Safe-Verified sites (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Bliss             (...) Good idea. (...) That's a very good question; I don't remember if it's been discussed. (...) True. All of this needs to be worked out in detail, by the community. But I'd expect that many areas of LF will be generally open, with a relative few (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bram Lambrecht           (...) The Google image search does have a SafeSearch filter, which is on by default. It's not actively moderated, but it does keep most of the porn out of the results. (URL) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan           (...) YES. Thank you, Jake. I have a problem with being too subtle, so I'll be more blunt: Lugnet is targeted to a particular audience, an adult audience. This is _not_ the ONLY audience interested in LEGO. For those whose online LEGO experience (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Schlickbernd           In lugnet.build, Jake McKee wrote: Let me first trim down the newsgroup list - it was fine for the general annoucement, but would everyone responding take a moment to reduce the list to something more appropriate? (...) One of the tings that struck (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Community run (was Re: LEGOFan.net...) —Dan Boger           (...) We already discussed most of this with Jake, and agreed we would have to have no strings attached. The LEGO company would be a welcome visitor and participant in the site, but they will NOT run it, or dictate how the site should be run. I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general) !!                             Re: Community run (was Re: LEGOFan.net...) —Mark Papenfuss             (...) Not really, not for me at least. It seems like there are a few different versions of what this site is going to be running around out there - and it seems that each version is based on what the persom being told wants to hear. I am sorry, (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: Community run (was Re: LEGOFan.net...) —Jacob Sparre Andersen               [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) What did you expect with nine people in the current working group and not much carved in stone yet? (...) That's not good. I would at least have hoped that each of us were consistent in our replies, even if the group as a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.general)                                Re: Community run (was Re: LEGOFan.net...) —Matthew Miller             (...) that order in a domain name is not on its face a trademark violation or misuse nor something the Lego company has control over. (Some big-money decisions in the other direction notwithstanding.) The only reason people should avoid l-e-g-o (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: Community run (was Re: LEGOFan.net...) —Benjamin Ellermann           (...) This is not completely true. Classic Castle is run by a group of administrators (each with an equal vote) not by one individual. Yes, we have a webmaster. If he left, another admin could step into that position. Our funding is by one (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general) !                         Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Johannes Koehler           Hello! (...) Well, most AFOLs already have been LEGO fans as kids and - after a periode of neglecting the brick, the so called 'dark ages' - found back to their old love. That means: For the purpose of growing hard core LEGO fans it's necassary to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !                         Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bryan Beckwith         (...) - lots of snips - To me, several statements in this message show how TLC is on the wrong track. (...) I remember when well-designed sets served this function, not branded websites. Maybe kids have changed, but I don't really think so. (...) By (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.org ] (...) Yes. (...) The devil seems to have plenty of legal representatives. :-) (...) It _is_ also something that is hard to do. And hopefully we can find a better solution than just depending on a LEGO sponsorship. We have already (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) I'm surprised you guys haven't thrown up a splash page or something, at least. Maybe with a "mission statement" and info on getting involved. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —David Laswell         (...) I'm not. Until they have explicit permission from TLC to register a domain name containing their trademarked brand name, it would be a blatant violation of trademark rights to do so. Not a good way to start off this proposed relationship with (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti           (...) On a technical note, the domain is ALREADY registered. It has been since august: Domain Name: LEGOFAN.NET Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net Referral URL: (URL) Server: NS1.DOMAINDIRECT.COM Name Server: NS2.DOMAINDIRECT.COM (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mark Papenfuss           (...) Not sure what whois info you are looking at - but here is the full report: (same info as legofan.com) Registrant: Dan Boger 243 White St Belmont, MA 02478 US Domain name: LEGOFAN.NET Administrative Contact: Boger, Dan domains@peeron.com 243 (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti             (...) I went right to network solutions (netsol.com). One would think that the people that run DNS would have the info, but apparently they don't. Or atleast they don't feel like sharing it. :) Troy (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller             (...) Other way around -- tucows doesn't share it with Network Solutions, to reduce spamming. (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bram Lambrecht           (...) LEGOFAN.ORG seems to be registered by domain.admin@lego.com ... I wonder why? It expires in April, though, so maybe Dan is purchasing it. --Bram (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) It wouldn't be a "blatant violation" at all. But it would go against Lego's wishes, and you're right, no sense in getting off to the wrong start. But as it is now, there's a very _blatant_ for-profit advertisment at the URL -- that seems (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) Hey, looks like someone actually reads the stuff I post. Well, that's encoraging. *big grin* (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       (...) Yes. :-) (...) We are a bit slow occasionally, but you risk that we react at some point. :-) We hadn't exactly _planned_ go announce the project this early in the process, but it seemed unreasonable to keep quiet, now that the talk about (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper       In lugnet.build, Richard Morton wrote: <snip> (...) Wadda? I'm sorry to say this, but this is the worst lack of respect towards Lugnet and this community I've seen in a long time. What would your website do if not copy what Lugnet does? Why come on (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !                     Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson         Trimmed lots of groups and moved to .general. I agree with Terry, LUGNET is -in my world- the central place for all things LEGO. Sure, there are a lot of sites that don't get much attention from LUGNET and there are other issues, most beacuse Todd (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jindrich Kubec         (...) Why there are duplicate set inventories on both Bricklink and Peeron? Why the is no coordination between naming of parts between Bricklink and Peeron? Why there are still '?' in set database while there are existing inventories on BL/P, so (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson           (...) (URL) from here: (URL) Best regards, /Tobbe (URL) (remove SPAM when e-mailing) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Huw Millington         "Jindroush" <jindroush@nospam.se...nospam.cz> wrote in message news:402B7020.38BAFC...spam.cz... Jindroush, you raise some good points, but to answer one in particular, (...) It is partly thanks to Brickset that the Lugnet guide is as good as it is (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Jake McKee           (...) Or better yet, perhaps Brickset (and others) is where much of the data for a single, integrated set guide is pulled from! Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Development (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Huw Millington           "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:Hsz7A4.3Bx@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) It seems a little strange that the community should need to provide the supplier with information about its products, but I'm not adverse to (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Jake McKee           (...) Sorry, let me clarify. I was referring to the data, not necessarily how the data is obtained. Information like this is much easier for me to get out if I know that a) the destination is a reliable source and b) that I'm not going to be flooded (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jindrich Kubec           (...) [snip] (...) Yeah, but if we have _defined_ environment (I mean there is _finite_ number of all LEGO sets out there), the final result _must_ be same. So I don't see the need for competition. Of course, there may be differences in 'value (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper             (...) My point exactly. No need for a third website copying the 2 already existing. (...) So why not work with Huw and Todd and make the already existing websites better? I have yet to see a good thing come of this debate. Terry (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jindrich Kubec             (...) No, my point is: why to have two sets of data? I don't mind if two sites use the same data, but I'd like to see one centralized database. (...) Wasn't it told in previous debate about WorldLUG, that Lugnet doesn't evolve anymore? Not to (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti             (...) Why yes, it was. By myself, in this post: (URL) also in Todds reply: (URL) is a great place. I like it very much and it has been very good to me over the years. It is, however, not going forward. If it were, then there would not be a need for (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper             (...) I had not realize that Todd himself approved of such a situation. That changes everything from my point of vue. I no longer see it the way I did. However, some people have brought the argument that WorldLUG aims to do a similar thing. Maybe (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Huw Millington           "Jindroush" <jindroush@nospam.se...nospam.cz> wrote in message news:402B9401.52E664...spam.cz... (...) OK, agreed. (...) Having re-read the original post, that's how I understand it now too. I don't think there's any intention to replace anything or (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Richard Morton           "Huw Millington" <hmillington@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:HszEBF.1DF3@lugnet.com... (...) make (...) for. (...) I think Hugh has hit the nail on the head here. From a personal standpoint, the thing that really excites me about this (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Suzanne Rich Green         (...) What major enhancement was that? -Suz (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Brian Gefrich       (...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) For my part, Terry, I disagree that this is being done with any disrespect towards LUGNET. It doesn't seem to be some personal "Don't like the way you run things" reasoning, like you have with Bricklink. (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller         (...) To spell out the concern directly: it seems like this new site will either add yet one more new place to look, or else kill off one or more existing ones. Or -- and this seems unfortunately possible -- *both*. But as I said elsewhere, that's (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen         (...) I don't think you should expect LEGOFan.net to lower the number of LEGO fan community sites. If we manage to release some easy to use software for setting up a community site, it will probably result in an increasing number of local LEGO fan (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper       (...) I mean it is insulting to see someone trying to replace a website by using its ressources to publicize itself. I see this as insulting to Lugnet. To us, I see it as an insult that some people would want to create a website and call it the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Duane Hess         No offense intended Terry, but yours was the latest post. Could we PLEASE trim the number of groups that this discussion has snared?! I hate digging to find the content that I want. -Duane (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper         (...) I totally agree and I highlighted your other post about trimming the groups. Terry (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Benjamin Medinets         I really don't have a problem with the community trying to set up a web-site and trying to get the community to come together. I agree (with Terry) that saying that a certain site will be the one-stop shop is insulting. The one point I'd like to (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —David Koudys         (...) Well, chiming in on Ben's message, 'cause here's a good a place as any :) A few things-- Any thread that gets Suz to post is okay in my books :) So here's LUGNET, being run, as many people have stated, by Todd (and by Suz in the past), and (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper         (...) Well said Dave K. Well said... I might also add that I would rather NOT see LEGO involved in any central website for this community. This is because LEGO would thn have some power over content, which can't be a good thing because they already (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Thomas Garrison       (...) I suspect Rene Hoffmeister would disagree. I will not believe that there is a central hub of the online Lego community until both Rene and Todd say that there is, and point to the same site. And even then I would be suspicious if that hub did (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Terry Prosper       (...) Who is Rene? (I don't mean to be rude, i truly don't know) Half the website you mentionned are not on my frequently visited websites. fbtb.net, however, would be there, but it's not on yours. As for the central hub, it doesn't have to link (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Hietbrink       (...) I don't read German, so I can stand to be corrected, but I believe Rene is the admin of 1000steine.de. (...) Lugnet is the home of many AFOL, Even if it doesn't link to my own (...) FBTB is the first link in the lugnet.starwars sidebar, which (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Thomas Garrison       (...) Yep. He also runs the International System Creativity Contest. And he was just at BrickFest. :) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                Re: LEGOFan.net "TRIM THE NEWS GROUPS!" —Ondrew Hartigan       (...) snip (...) Please trim your newsgroups. This thread has nothing to do with trains or castle and so on. ondrew (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !!                 Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson       TRIM DOWN THE NEWSGROUPS IN THIS THREAD! There. I did it. I screamed. After reading all posted so far, there are things that exicte me and there are things that turn me off. The idea to be able to set up a Swedish (or other) club page that draws (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan         (...) Creating a way for children to find out about the toys they love is the "worst" thing about this? Enabling people of all ages to get involved in various LEGO-related communities is not something that is desirable? I don't understand how that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. — Jake McKee         (...) Totally makes sense, and personally I don't consider it "selfish". We are all in this for varying individual reasons. You may want to simply bond with other adults, while others greatly enjoy the interaction with kids. To each his own. That (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       In lugnet.org, Tobbe Arnesson screamed: (...) Thanks. The announcement should probably only have been posted to "lugnet.announce" and "lugnet.org". (...) Good. But one of the ideas behind having the site software as Open Source is that local groups (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —John Henry Kruer       (...) Being a young teen myself, I know what you mean. LUGNET has definently been a better place because kids don't come and make posts about their 5-minute bloched Star Wars Jedi Starfighter that looks more like a old hippie vehicle- just to name (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, FTX)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) Dude, the place where you forget the ; in &nbsp; *totally* gives it away. Obvious kiddy-stuff. (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    SGML entities (Was: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community.) —Jacob Sparre Andersen       [ XFUT lugnet.off-topic.geek ] (...) LoL But if I am not mistaken, John got his SGML entities right. As I remember the SGML standard, you don't have to close a SGML entity with a semicolon. Play well, Jacob (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.off-topic.geek)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Thomas Main       (...) Perhaps it is time to have another revolution. After all, LUGNET was at least partly founded as a response to user's dissatisfaction with some problems inherent in r.t.l (one of them , ironically, being that r.t.l was too open a system which (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Mark Papenfuss       After reading all the posts so far on this, and thinking about it some more I came up with a few more questions/concerns. First - TLC, allowing *any* site to have "Lego" in the main domain name is a mistake. Unless Lego owns, the URL (which they do (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Abe Friedman       (...) <snip> What exactly does it mean to be "community owned"? Is the site going to be like a WIKI and anyone can change the content? Is there going to be a controlling body (say, for example, of 9 people) who are going to make all the decisions (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jacob Sparre Andersen       (...) 1) That the site software will be published under an Open Source license. 2) That the content (or at least as much as possible of it) will be available as a whole under an Open Source license. 3) Probably also that we will set up a formal (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.org, lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bruce Hietbrink       Hi all, One website to rule them all One website to find them One website to bring them all and in the darkness bind them in the land of Denmark, where the LEGO lie. Sorry, just had to do that. ;) Okay, on to the thread. These are random thoughts (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Matthew Miller       (...) On the counterpoint -- I like it all in once place, since, for example, I haven't done much train building, but I like to follow the cool stuff the train people are doing. The centralized discussion area makes it easy to quickly skim what's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Alfred Speredelozzi       (...) I have been reading quite a few defensive posts from Lugnet fanatics, so I thought I would chime in. I totally support what you guys are doing. I think it is the right direction. I think the community is in some places stagnating, and in other (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-04, to lugnet.org)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Bryan Beckwith       (...) Finally! I've been waiting forever for some sort of international, LEGO users group network! Oh wait. There is one. And I'm using it right now. Bryan (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego) !!                     Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels       (...) Finally! Someone made the completely ignorant statement I was waiting for! w00t! Ok, I'll put my piece in here I guess. I think this whole idea is a good one, but it's going to take a LOT of work and participation from the other sites. What (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego) !                     hearts and minds (Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community.) —Scott Arthur         (...) All that is fine & well, but: a) why can’t LUGNET perform that role? b) I’m concerned about the Lego Group’s involvement; it is still not clear what they expect for their ‘13 pieces of silver’? ;) If Jake wants to capture the “hearts and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                        Re: hearts and minds (Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub —Suzanne Rich Green         (...) personal feelings haven't changed: (URL) those not familiar with that post, it led to this one: (URL) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Anthony Sava         In lugnet.general, Steve Runnels wrote: (snip) (...) Excuse my ignorance, but what about those websites, like FBTB and Classic-Castle, that want their visitors to physically visit their forums to see the latest threads so that they could also visit (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                          Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels           (...) Oh, I understand this. That's part of the "lot of work" that would be involved. How exactly do you implement something like this to the other sites satisfaction? *I* don't know exactly. Yet at the same time I can't help but think this would (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Anthony Sava           (...) So you won't visit Classic-Castle unless another site links to it? Ok. (URL) you go. Now you don't even have to wait till LEGOFan.net is launched. I believe there is also a link to this castle site in the castle section of Lugnet. --Anthony (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels           (...) Yeah, thanks, Assthony. The point I was trying to make is that I'm not a castle fan in general. I'm NOT going to root through the entire site to find the *few* things I find interesting. Now if you wanted to give me some links to the best (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            RE: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tamyra Teed             -----Original Message----- From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway...net.com]On Behalf Of Steve Runnels Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:24 PM To: lugnet.general@lugnet.com Subject: Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all (...) (21 years ago, 15-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels               (...) Just what "attitude" is that? The only thing negative I said was the "Assthony" crack. And that's because his entire post was a sarcastic, excuse my french, ASSHOLE remark. Oh ok thanks, I have a link now, WOOHOO! Give me a break, that's (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Benjamin Ellermann             (...) I have to agree with Tamy. Anthony may be too blunt now and then, but think your reaction was inappropriate. Please check out classic-castle.com You will notice that the latest news for each section is featured on the main page, much like (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general) !!                                 Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Tobbe Arnesson               (...) That's surprising. IMHO a lot of detail and wishlist with the project, what can be done? What do we want done? etc. could have been done before this whole announcement of non-info. (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Kelly McKiernan             (...) Nor has BZPower been contacted. I firmly believe success can only be achieved by LEGOFan working with owners of sites who will be directly affected by LEGOFan. Early in the process. (...) Thank you for putting it so concisely. I would've spent (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Allister McLaren             (...) I tend to think that the announcement was made a little prematurely. There would have less pointless speculation and argument if they'd waited until they actually had something to show, even if it were just a mocked up homepage. As it is the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general) !                             Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Troy Cefaratti             (...) Well now, that was pretty low and uncalled for Steve! I guess that I should consider us lucky that you are too lazy to come to Clssic-Castle on your own, as we really don't need such childish behavior. Troy (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels             (...) It was, wasn't it? I'm so proud I've made it down to Anthony's level. Oh wait, I forgot. Jabbin at someone's name is worse than jabbin at their ideas. So I guess I'm lower than him afterall. Oh darn. [Insert sarcastic face here, since people (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Lindsay Frederick Braun           (...) Sorry, but I've gotta agree with Tamy-that was totally uncalled for. I don't often make mention of such things, but it seems like all day you've been posting really combative things ("just the ignorant statement I was waiting for!" in response (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                              Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels           (...) I've managed to get attention, for sure. Unforunently people don't seem to be reading past the controversy at all. So I've dug myself a hole, as usual. Maybe I'm too used to saying derogatory things to friends and on the internet, which btw (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Benjamin Ellermann           In lugnet.general, Steve Runnels wrote: much snippage (...) I cant speak for FBTB, but this isn't true for Classic-Castle. We felt perfectly welcome at Lugnet. The group of fans starting CC thought that a new website could meet needs that .castle (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Steve Runnels           (...) Hmm, I guess it was BZPower that didn't feel welcome because of the bionicle bashing. Still with CC, and probably FBTB, LUGNET didn't meet your needs so you made your own. Just as good of a reason. And all the more reason I see LegoFan, if (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Suzanne Rich Green         (...) Not in direct response to your post, Anthony, but as general info: LUGNET also has access to many of the latest pics of newest sets, but I've chosen not to pursue getting them into our database in a hurry. This is for a number of reasons, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net [...] —Suzanne Rich Green         (...) A user-configurable dynamic newspage. yeah, that'd be super-neat. Such a thing is why I'd never want to work on a printed magazine for LUGs. Scripts and the web can produce a publication that's way more efficient, up-to-the-minute, adaptable (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                          Re: LEGOFan.net [...] —Matthew Miller         (...) Hmmm. This part could be largely handled via existing standards -- each site could spit out an RDF feed. RDF isn't perfect, but I think it'd do. And a particularly cool thing about sites doing this is that one could use any of the zillions of (...) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)                    Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Paul Hartzog       If you look at the MyWorldLUG section in this post: (URL) you will see we intended precisely that (like MyYahoo, or MyMSN) -paul (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)                Re: SGML entities (Was: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community.) —Matthew Miller       (...) Only if the next character isn't a letter (or - or .). And in this case, it was letters. But it's fixed now. :) (21 years ago, 17-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)                Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Paul Hartzog     (...) why don't you guys just take over WorldLUG. I'll give you the whole architecture. Anybody can develop any module in any language, plus you can syndicate all the content out to people's sites using XML/SOAP/RSS etc. jus email me if you want, (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains, FTX)                  Re: LEGOFan.net - central community run hub for all areas of the LEGO community. —Jennifer L. Boger     (...) [snip] (...) Paul- Thank you! I know that you guys had a lot of great ideas, and I'll contact you via email to discuss some details! Jennifer Boger legofan.net (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.build, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.publish, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains) !

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