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In lugnet.adventurers, Mark Lindsey writes:
> Adventurers,
> Some here at LUGNET are not too happy with postings put in this group
> recently. That is unfortunate. A few individuals have deemed that all of us
> are not discussing things 100% lego at all times. Should I be searching for
> another forum that would be less constrictive, less exclusive, and more
> understanding of posts put up by individuals that want to discuss lego in all
> its aspects, not just the nuts and bolts of it. Lego is half construction and
> half artistry, and some here at LUGNET seem to be pushing for a format that
> concentrates on the former, as is their right. It is also the right of
> individuals to concentrate on the later. Discussion of anything not strictly
> relating to the construction of models is frowned upon within individually
> themed discussion groups by some. I had thought that LUGNET was for everyone
> and every idea but that is proving not to be a ubiquitous ideology. So am I
> to search for a group posting format that will allow for all ideas to be
> discussed, no matter how far out they may be, with equanimity? If individuals
> want to discuss anything - creative sources for ispiration, historical
> contexts for lego set ideas, building and customization tips, reviews of
> products, CAD work, etc. they should be allowed. I think that LUGNET may be
> a bit slanted toward those individuals who want to design, experiment in
> robotics, and revel in all things relating to engineering (judging by posting
> numbers). I see nothing wrong with this as long as there is no exclusion of
> other ideas. Not everything should have to be 100% lego. I dare say that TLG
> doesn't discuss 100% lego in their own meetings. The addition of the Star
> Wars theme proves that TLG does have outside interests. Why can't LUGNET
> users? Speak out or be silenced. Those who didn't like the direction this
> posting group was taking spoke out to let their opinions be heard. I am doing
> the same. Everyone that posts here should also.
>
> Play well and cheers to all,
> Mark L
I think perhaps you've gotten the wrong impression! Everything you've been
mentioning can (and should!) be posted to LUGNET, it's just a matter of posting
it to the right place... Part of the reason that LUGNET exists is to allow
people to easily siphon out things they don't want to read. Some people may not
want to read historical tidbits-- some might not care about inspiration-- some
might not care about robotics-- some couldn't care less for Star Wars... and
for these people, other forums are messy. They have to read through ALL the
messages to get the information they want, rather than JUST get the stuff that
interests THEM... That's part of what makes LUGNET such a great place!
For instance, I'm not a big CAD person... Neither am I a big robotics person.
They're interesting, and I'd like to get into them at some point, but for now,
Most of the information isn't of any help to me. But I do love Castle, for
instance. So on any other forum (Ok, RTL) I'd have to wade through all the CAD
and robotics posts (and all the auction stuff, and the junk that gets posted
there) in order to get to the posts that really interested me. So LUGNET has
the ingenious feature of sub-groups! So if I'm only looking for Castle stuff, I
just read the Castle sub-group, and I don't have to bother reading the other
sub-groups that don't interest me.
The problem I've been having is that a large majority of posts to
lugnet.adventurers haven't necessarily had much to do with the group itself.
That's usually fine if it's just a message here or there, but when it gets to
be too much, then we're back to something like RTL-- it defeats the purpose of
sub-groups entirely.
The things you've shown concern for: "creative sources for ispiration,
historical contexts for lego set ideas, building and customization tips reviews
of products, CAD work". All of these have homes on LUGNET (lugnet.build,
lugnet.cad, lugnet.off-topic.fun, etc.) In addition, many of these can be
placed into the subgroups of their relative themes. (Like lugnet.adventurers)
The problem gets to be when a topic moves too far away from its original
intent, and should be placed elsewhere.
The big part of it (for me) has been the 'greatest adventurer movies' threads.
I don't think it's actually going AGAINST the LUGNET rules, but I think the
appropriate place for this should be lugnet.off-topic.fun, instead of
lugnet.adventurers. A lot of the conversation seems to be what movies people
like and dislike, as opposed to how each movie relates to Lego... Hence, I'd
put it in off-topic. And again, when it's just a couple messages here and
there, that's ok, but it's really gotten out of hand in my mind.
The other thing is the 'who has the most posts' idea. To quote an earlier
message you posted:
> Help us out here. We need your ideas, input, pictures of creations and
> general banter and repartee in order to make this the most lively and
> entertaining posting group on lugnet. • And later in the same post:
> Don't let Starwars continue to dominate. Last week we had very close to the
> same amout of posts they did. And certainly we can beat out the castle and
> space groups.
That's certainly not what LUGNET is about. It's not about making
lugnet.adventurers the biggest and best newsgroup. In fact, it's rather the
opposite. If one group gets too large, there is often the need to subdivide it
further, so people can read only what interests them.
But perhaps the most annoying thing is related to the last point. Things like:
http://www.lugnet.com/general/?n=8931
http://www.lugnet.com/off-topic/fun/?n=3299
The 1st one didn't seem to have anything to do with Adventurers, but you
cross-posted it there, I assume just so to aid your cause of 'beating' the
other groups.
The 2nd one annoys me even more, though, because someone had already
appropriately moved the thread to lugnet.off-topic.fun, and you cross-posted
your reply back to lugnet.adventurers...
Anyway, the main point is: Don't try and 'beat' other newsgroups. If you do
that, generally you run out of really good ideas quickly, and you end up
milking each idea for all it's worth, just to get a few more posts up. And
these posts turn into a bunch of fluff that people have to wade through in
order to get to the real meat of the group. In other words, it starts to defeat
the purpose of LUGNET-- it turns into a less organized jumble of messages.
Like I said before, if you want to encourage people to post more often, try and
inspire them-- that's what works best, I think. If you have really interesting
ideas, suggestions, etc., by all means post them! But if your messages are
fluff, consider posting them somewhere else (not as in off of LUGNET, but in
another group, particularly lugnet.off-topic.*)
At any rate, I'm not trying to discourage the nature of your posts... In fact,
I like having someone who's enthusiastic about all these topics... I'm just
requesting that you post your ideas a little more appropriately.
Thanks,
DaveE
(followups to lunget.admin)
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