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Re: A Question on Logging in and posting
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lugnet.admin.general
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Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:31:50 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> As I understand it, there is currently no integration between the userid and
> the various cookies (news setup, mail subscription setup) and therefore,
> knowledge of who you are is not taken advantage of to any meaningful extent.
> [...]
That's correct -- the e-mail addresses entered on member pages aren't yet
verified in a way that lets them be automatedly linked with posting.
The single-group News-by-Mail subscription change that went up a few days ago,
http://www.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=6083
includes a break-out and simplification of the e-mail "confirmation code" form:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/ccode/
It's generalized enough (albeit currently at a dumb URL and with specific
text) to be "callable" from (and returnable to) anywhere else in the system --
i.e., a member config page. Breaking it out is an intermediate step toward
being able to confirm a list of e-mail addresses associated with a member.
On the other hand, now that you mention rushing things out the door, it
wouldn't be strictly necessary actually to confirm an email address of a
member who wants to post -- that doesn't happen now and it can't even happen
via NNTP (without NNTP passwords). So a "rush job" which might work for you
is a field in the member config where you could fill in the same stuff that
you've filled in here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/
(And actually the system could just fetch this from your cookie to save you
from having to re-enter it, if you've got it in a cookie) and then could take
it "on faith" (subject to the "I promise I'm not submitting fraudulent info"
checkbox like the news setup) that what you've provided is correct.)
I suspect that would relieve a fair amount of frustration at relatively low
risk to the server.
Another option -- maybe this is even simpler -- would be to have a member
config page that you could go to which would "snarf" a copy of your cookies
(news posting setup & news-by-mail confirmation code), if present, and store
them in your member record. That way, you wouldn't have to fill in any new
form and I wouldn't have to make any new form -- it would just leverage the
existing forms.
Even better yet -- reverse things -- put a checkbox on the forms which send
cookies allowing a signed-in member to have the info stored both (or either)
in a checkbox and his/her member record. No new pages to create, remember,
or link to that way.
All of the above are workarounds or kludges -- adding layers on top for short
term gain -- but PLMK if they would save time or spare frustration for those
using multiple machines. Once something was in your member record, you
wouldn't have to do the news-posting-setup or confirmation-code setup on
different machines -- the member sign-in would take care of it all.
A side note: The member thing and news thing developed backwards from the
original plan. Originally, memberships were going to be the very first thing,
and the forums were going to be members-only built on top of that. That
changed when the NNTP server went in, which opened new doors. Thus, the NNTP
user config/setup -- which evolved as needs arose -- ended up with minimalistic
configuration via cookies rather than records on the server. It's kind of a
legacy thing which makes integration with real memberships kludgey. In the
future it may go one of two ways -- either the news/mail setup stuff will have
to be duplicated or leveraged in the context of memberships, or the old
news/mail stuff will have to be thrown out and resurrected as a new type of
membership with restricted attributes (this would much simplify things).
It's also always been a steep challenge to explain the difference between a
member and a user -- it would probably be better simply to have different
types of things all called memberships.
--Todd
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