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Re: Corrections to LUGNET Sets Database.
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Mon, 24 May 1999 14:09:09 GMT
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Opps, I forgot to reply.... yes I did check the mint copy of the 1961 Samsonite
Catalog. The writing does say "V1867". So this is not a date (1967?), but some
internal code?
Since LEGO (Samsonite) was sold in the USA for the first time in 1961, and since
this catalog was the first USA LEGO Catalog (I remember as a child (1961-62)
dreaming about getting the Junior Constructor set from this catalog). Whe I did
get a Junior Constructor for Christmas in 1962, I was disappointed that it was not
the one in my catalog, but the modern house version that came out in late 1962. I
also have a copy of a 1 page advertisement from a November 1962 Saturday Evening
Post that shows the "new" Junior Constructor. That's how I am dating these 2
catalogs (and sets) to:
Early Samsonite Catalog - 1961 - (early) 1962.
Later Samsonite Catalog - late 1962 - 1964.
Also, on a different note, I counted the pieces to the Junior Constructor (the
modern house version of 1962-64, not the gabled house version of 1961-62) and there
are 500 pieces (for the database piece count). The set I picked up on EBAY last
year had all mint condition pieces (Cellulose Acetate!), and none were missing when
I assembled the house.
Gary Istok
Joshua Delahunty wrote:
> [Followups to lugnet.admin.database]
>
> Gary, did you ever manage to check the mint-condition copy of this scan?
>
> -- joshua
>
> Gary Istok wrote:
> >
> > Joshua Delahunty wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Istok wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been browsing the LUGNET sets database recently, and found a few
> > > > omissions and changes that need to be made in the early Samsonite sets.
> > > > Who do I contact to correct these?
> > > >
> > > > Here are what needs changing:
> > > >
> > > > The following sets list 1967 as the start date for the sets, but the
> > > > date should read 1961:
> > > > #702, 703, 705, 708, 711, 717, 725.
> > >
> > > Note that they list "+1967", short-hand for "1967 is the earliest
> > > reference we currently have.
> > >
> > > I'm glad you noticed them. You're much more expert than I am to comment
> > > on the release date. The "+" is specifically there to make it stand out
> > > and catch the attention of those who'd "know better" than us.
> > >
> > > > Sets 717 (Junior Constructor), 725 (Town Plan), and 246 (Town Plan
> > > > Board) all had 2 completely different sets under the same name and
> > > > number.
> > > >
> > > > The early (1961- early 1962) version of these sets are seen (Bill
> > > > Katz/Joe Lauher site) here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/LEGO/60s_d2.jpg
> > >
> > > This is the same page that the scans are clipped from. It's that a 1967
> > > on the page?
> > >
> > > > The later (late 1962 to 1964) version of these sets are seen (Bill
> > > > Katz/Joe Lauher site) here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/LEGO/60s_e2.jpg
> > > >
> > > > These are (with the exception of the Town Plan Board) totally different
> > > > models and streetscapes, and should probably both be listed, yes/no?.
> > >
> > > The above series (702-725) has been fixed from +1967 to 1961 (with your
> > > name listed internally as the source, Gary).
> > >
> > > I'm holding off on the duplicate 717 and 725 (even though the 717 we
> > > have seems to be the later version) until you comment on the "1967" date
> > > on that sheet.
> > >
> > > > Gary Istok
> > > >
> > > > P.S. The only way that I know the early/late 1962 dates is because I
> > > > have a November 11, 1962 New Yorker full page advertisement on LEGO that
> > > > shows the newer version of these sets, which I think came out for the
> > > > holidays that year.
> > >
> > > Normally, this should have gone to lugnet.admin.database; however I've
> > > left it in plain view in lugnet.general to encourage anyone else who
> > > spots inaccuracies (and has verifiable fixes to reference) to post fixes
> > > to lugnet.admin.database
> > >
> > > -- joshua
> >
> > Thanks for the reply Joshua (and thanks especially for all the work in keeping
> > the databases updated!). The next thread will go to lugnet.admin.database.
> >
> > I studied that page (from the supposed 1961 Samsonite Catalog) on the
> > website. I assume you're referring to the very small print in the bottom left
> > hand corner of the small catalog. From what I can make out this is what I
> > think it says:
> >
> > V1867
> > PAT. PEND
> > (not readable) ... IN USA
> >
> > I've got a mint copy of this brochure at home, and will check it out tonight.
> > But I'm pretty sure that it doesn't say 1967. (Bill Katz, what do you
> > think?) One of the frustrating things about 1950's and 1960's LEGO
> > catalogs/boxes/instructions is that there are no dates on them. In Horst
> > Lehner's excellect European Catalog website, dates are determined by the LEGO
> > Dealer who happened to write the year down on his/her catalogs every year (or
> > so it appears).
> >
> > For me, dating Samsonite is easier because I was a kid in the early Samsonite
> > era. I remember receiving the (later) Junior Constructor (717) as a Christmas
> > gift in 1963.
> > Another interesting item about early Samsonite is that some large sets did not
> > have instructions as a separate item. They were put onto the inside of the
> > box top. They did come with the above small catalogs, however. And parts
> > counts were NEVER displayed anywhere within the set.
> >
> > Gary Istok
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