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I just got a note from someone who remembered the comparision I did on
RTL between the three airports, and I decided to repost it here in
.reviews where it might be easier to find.
Here's a Dejanews reference if you want to see the thread in context,
etc.
http://x8.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=416683216&CONTEXT=920437857.281411851&hitnum=16
and here's a copy of the post (including my sig at the time, what the
hey..) At this time I have all three, A, IJ and CS. I still feel the
same way but I do cherish my A. Note also that this post is out of
context, Matt and I had been sparring (in fun, I thought) about this so
I was needling him a bit.
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Matt Hanson wrote:
>
> Not to start a legitimate discussion, or anything, but <eh-hem> how did
> this set ever get to be so popular? I just don't see it... It looks
> pretty much like all the other airports, with the exception of the
> design of the plane, and that really isn't any big advancement. Please
> help me resolve this, or get some sort of closure on this issue.
So everyone's working from the same pages, I've included refs to the
three sets I am about to discuss:
Airport (1985):
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6392-1
International Jetport (1990):
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6396
Century Skyway (1994):
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6597
Now, open three browser windows, and follow along. I abbreviate these as
A, IJ, CS for brevity...
Now, how to rank these? They have different piece counts and prices.
I'd say, rank them on:
- Quality of airliner
- Quality of helicopter
- Quality of support equipment
- Quality of tower
- Quality of terminal building(s)
- Quality of runways
Airliner:
I think we all would agree that the airliner in each is roughly
equivalent, although I'd rank them in this order (always best one first
in what follows): CS (airliner flips open, and is cooler), IJ (almost
identical, I forget if it flips or not), A (almost as good... the four
engines are nice.)
Copter:
A has the best copter, in terms of realism, but CS is bigger. IJ is a
dinky ho-hum copter like 1000 other TLG copters. Yawn. Rank: A (wide
margin), CS (wide margin), IJ (dead last by a lot! That copter is SO
boring).
Support equipment:
CS (baggage tow and cart, gasser, stairs) IJ (baggage tow and cart), A
(baggage tow and cart, substantially less realistic than IJ or CS) CS
wins this one by a HUGE margin, no other set (1) has stairs, a must have
if you don't have high level gates or steps built into the plane. Gasser
is nice but not key... you could buy gas'n'go flyer for completeness to
get a gas truck if, like some, you were building a full up airport.
Tower:
CS (separate tower, kinda reminds me of LAX tower in a way), A (mounted
on terminal in a convincing way), IJ (mounted on terminal in an
unconvincing way, last by a wide margin... again.)
Terminal Building(s):
CS (two buildings, including a garage, and a nice terminal, although the
palm tree is misplaced.. best by a wide margin), IJ (the gates on the
single building are well done, slightly better than...) A, (nice
building but ho hum...)
Runways: A tossup. CS has a few more plates but all are about the same
in my book.
So, Mr. Hanson.... :-) in my book, IJ does not come in first in ANY
category, and comes in third in several, and in at least two is
stunningly last. CS comes in first in several, by a wide margin once. A
only wins one (the copter). My overall ranking is:
CS, A, IJ.
and so should be yours. :-) Note that I have CS and IJ but not A. (not
yet, anyway...) Hope that helps. Thanks for playing.
> And, for what it's worth, I happen to like the International Jetport
> about 20 times better than skyway... (go ahead, do what you gotta do)
I had to do it... Consider it done. Note that I don't like CS "about 20
times" better than A, but I'd say I like CS about 4-5 times better than
IJ, and IJ makes my top 20 list of non train sets.
1 - EVER, that I know of. Is there another set anywhere that has
airplane stairs?? Anyone?
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That link seems to be wrong. It seems that pasting in DejaNews URLs
doesn't work any more??
Anyway, you can find it yourself by doing a dejanews powersearch on
group rec.toys.lego with keywords century skyway and author Larry
Pieniazek..
Maybe this will work:
http://www.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/dnquery.xp?ST=PS&QRY=century+skyway&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&format=terse&showsort=score&maxhits=25&LNG=ALL&subjects=&groups=rec.toys.lego&authors=Larry+Pieniazek&fromdate=&todate=
?? it's putting st_rn=ps and that breaks it. I give up.
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You forget that CS has a second chopper. It's of the boring, ho-hum,
clone of a 1000 other TLG copters variety, so I'm not sure if it's an
asset to CS, or a detriment. ;)
Also, (just looking at the browser pictures--I don't have any of these
sets) the IJ building looks much cooler than the CS or A buildings. It
looks like (part of) a passenger terminal in a large airport. The tower
is slightly cheesy, but hey! it's lego. I'd say get the CS and IJ, and
combine them for the full effect of an airport with passenger airlines
and commercial freight. A is good for a private field, I think. Or a
small airport, like you might find in Houghton or Lowell.
Steve
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:18:26 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:
> I just got a note from someone who remembered the comparision I did on
> RTL between the three airports, and I decided to repost it here in
> .reviews where it might be easier to find.
>
> Here's a Dejanews reference if you want to see the thread in context,
> etc.
>
> http://x8.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=416683216&CONTEXT=920437857.281411851&hitnum=16
>
> and here's a copy of the post (including my sig at the time, what the
> hey..) At this time I have all three, A, IJ and CS. I still feel the
> same way but I do cherish my A. Note also that this post is out of
> context, Matt and I had been sparring (in fun, I thought) about this so
> I was needling him a bit.
>
> -- start copy from RTL --
>
> Matt Hanson wrote:
>
> >
> > Not to start a legitimate discussion, or anything, but <eh-hem> how did
> > this set ever get to be so popular? I just don't see it... It looks
> > pretty much like all the other airports, with the exception of the
> > design of the plane, and that really isn't any big advancement. Please
> > help me resolve this, or get some sort of closure on this issue.
>
> So everyone's working from the same pages, I've included refs to the
> three sets I am about to discuss:
>
> Airport (1985):
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6392-1
> International Jetport (1990):
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6396
> Century Skyway (1994):
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6597
>
> Now, open three browser windows, and follow along. I abbreviate these as
> A, IJ, CS for brevity...
>
> Now, how to rank these? They have different piece counts and prices.
>
> I'd say, rank them on:
> - Quality of airliner
> - Quality of helicopter
> - Quality of support equipment
> - Quality of tower
> - Quality of terminal building(s)
> - Quality of runways
>
> Airliner:
> I think we all would agree that the airliner in each is roughly
> equivalent, although I'd rank them in this order (always best one first
> in what follows): CS (airliner flips open, and is cooler), IJ (almost
> identical, I forget if it flips or not), A (almost as good... the four
> engines are nice.)
>
> Copter:
> A has the best copter, in terms of realism, but CS is bigger. IJ is a
> dinky ho-hum copter like 1000 other TLG copters. Yawn. Rank: A (wide
> margin), CS (wide margin), IJ (dead last by a lot! That copter is SO
> boring).
>
> Support equipment:
> CS (baggage tow and cart, gasser, stairs) IJ (baggage tow and cart), A
> (baggage tow and cart, substantially less realistic than IJ or CS) CS
> wins this one by a HUGE margin, no other set (1) has stairs, a must have
> if you don't have high level gates or steps built into the plane. Gasser
> is nice but not key... you could buy gas'n'go flyer for completeness to
> get a gas truck if, like some, you were building a full up airport.
>
> Tower:
> CS (separate tower, kinda reminds me of LAX tower in a way), A (mounted
> on terminal in a convincing way), IJ (mounted on terminal in an
> unconvincing way, last by a wide margin... again.)
>
> Terminal Building(s):
> CS (two buildings, including a garage, and a nice terminal, although the
> palm tree is misplaced.. best by a wide margin), IJ (the gates on the
> single building are well done, slightly better than...) A, (nice
> building but ho hum...)
>
> Runways: A tossup. CS has a few more plates but all are about the same
> in my book.
>
> So, Mr. Hanson.... :-) in my book, IJ does not come in first in ANY
> category, and comes in third in several, and in at least two is
> stunningly last. CS comes in first in several, by a wide margin once. A
> only wins one (the copter). My overall ranking is:
>
> CS, A, IJ.
>
> and so should be yours. :-) Note that I have CS and IJ but not A. (not
> yet, anyway...) Hope that helps. Thanks for playing.
>
> > And, for what it's worth, I happen to like the International Jetport
> > about 20 times better than skyway... (go ahead, do what you gotta do)
>
> I had to do it... Consider it done. Note that I don't like CS "about 20
> times" better than A, but I'd say I like CS about 4-5 times better than
> IJ, and IJ makes my top 20 list of non train sets.
>
> 1 - EVER, that I know of. Is there another set anywhere that has
> airplane stairs?? Anyone?
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek http://my.voyager.net/lar
> For me: No voyager e-mail please. All snail-mail to Ada, please.
> - Posting Binaries to RTL causes flamage... Don't do it, please.
> - Stick to the facts when posting about others, please.
> - This is a family newsgroup, thanks.
>
>
>
> --
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Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
[...]
> Copter:
> A has the best copter, in terms of realism, but CS is bigger. IJ is a
> dinky ho-hum copter like 1000 other TLG copters. Yawn. Rank: A (wide
> margin), CS (wide margin), IJ (dead last by a lot! That copter is SO
> boring).
Even though the CS cargo helicopter may be unusual, I've
always considered it to be the best minifig scale helicopter
from TLG (6462-1 and 6545 have potential for something
really good).
Play well,
Jacob
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Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
>
> Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Copter:
> > A has the best copter, in terms of realism, but CS is bigger. IJ is a
> > dinky ho-hum copter like 1000 other TLG copters. Yawn. Rank: A (wide
> > margin), CS (wide margin), IJ (dead last by a lot! That copter is SO
> > boring).
>
> Even though the CS cargo helicopter may be unusual, I've
> always considered it to be the best minifig scale helicopter
> from TLG (6462-1 and 6545 have potential for something
> really good
Really! While I agree they have potential, I would have to say that the
BEST minifig scale copter would have to be the light and sound air sea
rescue copter, it looks a lot like the US coast guard ones. THAT's a big
chopper.
<rummage rummage> Here it is:
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6482-1
As to the best overall copter, I'd have to go with 5542. Besides, it has
train windows and doors. :-)
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Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
> Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
>
> > Even though the CS cargo helicopter may be unusual, I've
> > always considered it to be the best minifig scale helicopter
> > from TLG (6462-1 and 6545 have potential for something
> > really good
>
> Really! While I agree they have potential, I would have to say that the
> BEST minifig scale copter would have to be the light and sound air sea
> rescue copter, it looks a lot like the US coast guard ones. THAT's a big
> chopper.
You're right that the 6482 is big and looks a lot like the
US coast guard ones, but it's still missing something to be
the best (imho).
> As to the best overall copter, I'd have to go with 5542. Besides, it has
> train windows and doors. :-)
What about the Whirlwind Rescue (8856)? It could be fun to
see a Model Team "decorated" version of the Whirlwind Rescue
though.
Play well,
Jacob
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Thanks for these chopper reviews.
I had wanted to see a transport copter (kind with double rotors on
top). I had no idea that there were already some made. Wish they'd
sell some again w/o the light and sound expense.
DJ Zorn
To locate scans of official instructions
for discontinued sets only go to:
http://www.kl.net/scans/
Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <36EE4C09.1791E783@voyager.net>...
:Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
:>
:> Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
:>
:> [...]
:>
:> > Copter:
:> > A has the best copter, in terms of realism, but CS is bigger. IJ
is a
:> > dinky ho-hum copter like 1000 other TLG copters. Yawn. Rank: A
(wide
:> > margin), CS (wide margin), IJ (dead last by a lot! That copter is
SO
:> > boring).
:>
:> Even though the CS cargo helicopter may be unusual, I've
:> always considered it to be the best minifig scale helicopter
:> from TLG (6462-1 and 6545 have potential for something
:> really good
:
:Really! While I agree they have potential, I would have to say that
the
:BEST minifig scale copter would have to be the light and sound air
sea
:rescue copter, it looks a lot like the US coast guard ones. THAT's a
big
:chopper.
:
:<rummage rummage> Here it is:
:http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6482-1
:
:As to the best overall copter, I'd have to go with 5542. Besides, it
has
:train windows and doors. :-)
:
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In article <36EE4C09.1791E783@voyager.net>, lpien@IWANTNOSPAM.ctp.com wrote:
> Really! While I agree they have potential, I would have to say that the
> BEST minifig scale copter would have to be the light and sound air sea
> rescue copter, it looks a lot like the US coast guard ones. THAT's a big
> chopper.
>
> <rummage rummage> Here it is:
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=6482-1
>
> As to the best overall copter, I'd have to go with 5542. Besides, it has
> train windows and doors. :-)
It's not minifig-scale, but I've always had a soft
spot in my builder's heart for the 480 Rescue
Helicopter from 1975:
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=480-1
I love the (unique?) curved windshield piece.
But 6482 and 5542 are both excellent, too.
-Tim
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Tim Rueger wrote:
> It's not minifig-scale, but I've always had a soft
> spot in my builder's heart for the 480 Rescue
> Helicopter from 1975:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=480-1
Me too. This was one of my first re-acquistions (sets secretly lusted
after as a teen who was too cool for Lego) on re-emergence.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> Tim Rueger wrote:
>
> > It's not minifig-scale, but I've always had a soft
> > spot in my builder's heart for the 480 Rescue
> > Helicopter from 1975:
> >
> > http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=480-1
>
> Me too. This was one of my first re-acquistions (sets secretly lusted
> after as a teen who was too cool for Lego) on re-emergence.
Me too too :) This set has fond sentimental value for me - my
grandmother brought it to me as a present on one of her trips to the US
from Germany.
--
Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
>
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In article <370A07FF.9DE5C92B@appstate.edu>, Thomas Main
<main@appstate.edu> wrote:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> >
> > Tim Rueger wrote:
> >
> > > It's not minifig-scale, but I've always had a soft
> > > spot in my builder's heart for the 480 Rescue
> > > Helicopter from 1975:
> > >
> > > http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=480-1
> >
> > Me too. This was one of my first re-acquistions (sets secretly lusted
> > after as a teen who was too cool for Lego) on re-emergence.
>
> Me too too :) This set has fond sentimental value for me - my
> grandmother brought it to me as a present on one of her trips to the US
> from Germany.
Speaking of sentiment, I had the most amazing
Customer Service experience relating to this
set.
Sometime in '97, I went thru most of my old
sets, looking for parts that needed replacing;
one was the apparently-rare 2x3 black plate
with rotor peg for this set. Much to my
amazement, TLG was able to provide me a
replacement for it. Talk about service,
especially for a 20+ year old item!
-Tim
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