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Re: SciBrick is looking for you!
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Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:12:32 GMT
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Sorry for prolonging this, but a few things in the post below trouble me.
I have no vested interest in Sci-Brick, nor do I have a specific problem with
any of the parties involved, but when I detect illogic, and stated aims in
disparity with actions and their results, questions arise.
In lugnet.org.scibrick, Eric Sophie wrote:
> * As written to a friend asking what the heck is going on:
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> I wrote~
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> Well, I quit SciBrick after Brick Fest. I posted something in my compter that I
> had for a while that I wrote about SciBrick. I forgot I posted it already a year
> ago. Then because I was no longer a member of SciBrick it was out of line. Thing
> was I put in the beginning of the post, "In support of:"
So you say, but I really can't see how posting such a message can be in support
of the org, when a) you quit it in obviously bad circumstances b) there seems to
be no clear need for such a post and c) you had no authority from the org to
speak on it's behalf.
The results speak for themselves. Supoprt sci-brick? Apparently not. In fact you
seem to have a very particular bone to pick as evidenced by other posts in the
thread. What were your motives, really?
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> Then when I realized it was a duplicate post and and Lenny asked me to remove
> the post because I was not a member, reluctanly I was gonna comply. Then he
> tells me they changed the mission of the group and I said oh really?
I believe the exact words were "There is some information in it that is no
longer true." This is bound to happen in year old information and hardly
constitues a change of mission. Apart from the aforementioned event kits thing,
the links you posted are dead (or at least dormant). Seems Lenny was right.
>
> Then I stand by the core principles of why the group was formed. The post stays.
> It will illustrate why I left when he challanges it.
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> Its a damn dumb thing that got out of control.
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> I wrote that it was my over zealous attempt to do something nice for the group.
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> Awhile back Lenny had asked me to write something about shows and how to do
> them. How to get started. Mistakenly I thought it was that document, in the
> process offending Lenny.
Again, the admission of error without apology of attempt at rectification. Are
you really trying "to do something nice for the group"?
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> In the end I don't feel the need to ask anyone's persmission to explain my own
> idea.
> SciBrick.
Dude, you ceased having sole ownership of the idea the moment the second person
joined. It's nigh on impossible to form a group of creative people and expect
everyone to unquestioningly do your bidding just because it's 'your idea'. If
that's what you expected, no wonder you're disappointed.
> Further more this sheds some light on what happened. I don't want to exaspirate
> the situation by pointing fingers and whinning about all the BS that went on.
Too late.
> Fact is I never supported the notion of a Comms officer. The collective will of
> the group could be funneled through a spokesman, but having a King of SciBrick
> who makes and breaks rules and goals is totalitarian.
I thought a communications officer WAS just a spokesman.
That said, since you are clearly upset that certain people 'hijacked' your
'vision', it seems to me that your problem is not so much the existence of a
King of Sci-Brick as much that it's not you.
> the real issue, or one of them.
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> Get some balls. Kick out the *ucks that have no good MOCS and don't want to
> pound the pavement looking for exhibits.
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> I sought out the heavy hitters. People who have giant *ucking MOCS and
> experience in showing them publicly.
I understand the benifits of a certain amount of exclusiveness, and the desire
to keep the standars high, but it can be taken too far.
If you restrict membership only to those with collection or models over a
certain size, you're going to severely limit where and when you can exhibit. If
the group desires national coverage, then it certainly helps to have at least
someone reasonably local. Chances are they're not gonna have a collection as big
as yours, but since when has collection size been an indicator of building
talent, or ability to organise a show? Do you really think only large models are
worthy of exhibiting?
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> SciBrick became a mercy party and buddy club.
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> You know it. I know it and so do some other key people.
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> SciBrick was ment as a serious org. People who want to show their work. People
> who have ammassed the collections and the skill to pull of impressive shows.
>
> Look, the org got off to a bad start when it allowed people with no intention or
> ability to exhibit on a world class level to be "grandfathered" in. Just because
> I pitched the idea to everyone didn't mean it was for everyone there.
Illogical.
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> Cut the bullsh!t and make it happen. Figure out who has the *ucking mocs that
> rock and pool their a$$es up and do some shows.
It doesn't appear to me that this has changed. Brickfest is about as inclusiive
as you can get, and you can't tell me that it is anything but impressive. I
can't see how Sci-Brick can be anything but enriched by a more open membership
policy.
> Make something of my idea. Hijack it and I'll be right there to protect it.
By quitting? Interesting theory.
Let it go mate. It's not your baby anymore, by your own choice. Go build
something.
Allister
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| Sir, you rasie good points and you have touched on areas where some confusion has ocurred. I would like to formulate a response out of respect for you and the whole situation. Expect it. e P.S. Building Mech Bay 07 (20 years ago, 26-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick)
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| * As written to a friend asking what the heck is going on: I wrote~ Well, I quit SciBrick after Brick Fest. I posted something in my compter that I had for a while that I wrote about SciBrick. I forgot I posted it already a year ago. Then because I (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick)
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