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In lugnet.admin.general, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
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I think you need to take a real hard look at that paragraph. You have
repeatedly posted a post I made two years ago and for what? To try to get a
response from me? To try to discredit me? Whats the point? I stand behind my
two-year old post and I point you to
where one of the most respected members of not only the Lugnet community, but
the AFOL community said it was not flaming, but instead a post with
respectful tones.
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It seemed to me he was trying to show a percieved double standard. While I do
disagree with the use of the term “flaming” here in this thread (I consider
flaming to be a post in order to denigrate another individual openly and and for
no reason other than a difference in opinion or apparent lack of knowledge), I
would definitely say that the post referenced referenced by Timothy was
disrespectful despite being relatively politely phrased for the most part (I
would not deem any of your replies to Lenny and some of the others in the thread
as such however).
Also, I think Kelly was refering to your post in this thread as not being
flaming, rather than the old one, which I do agree with (this does *not* mean
your post in this thread was fine IMO, however).
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I think posts like yours to me and to Eric is a fundamental problem of this
site. You keep turning up the noise on Lugnet where others are trying to
lower it. Would you like an example of you trying to turn the noise up? Ok, I
can do that - You took my post out of the Admin forum where only a small
percentage of people would see it and put it in the general population’s lap
- a DIRECT disregard for what Suz was asking for. And you had no problem when
Frank asked the question, but had a major problem when I echoed his question.
If your motives were true you would have scoffed when Frank posted it, as it
was also after you deemed Eric’s topic “over”. Your efforts are a thinly
veiled attempt to start trouble - I think that is easy to see.
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Perhaps he felt that his question to you, since it was directed to *you* and not
an admin, was taking it out of the scope of admin.general. I would not disagree
with that. Was .people the right place? I don’t know; at the time maybe it
was. As of now, I think it should move to o-t.debate since the thread is now
debating whether or not certain posts/people are flaming, trolling, baiting, or
being disrespectful.
As to the bit about “dropping it” and the like, consider the fact that *you*
were the one to resurrect the question days after it had been originally asked,
and in a completely different thread no less. It seems to me you’re preaching
one thing after doing the opposite.
In summary, I guess I’d say that (as I read it) Timothy felt you calling for
banning or some other action being taken to be little more than trying to start
trouble, based on your actions in past posts (somewhat like you accused him of).
I think it was his way of saying you shouldn’t be one to ask for such, since in
his view, you have been at least as bad, if not worse, than those you’re calling
for action against. Rather paralleling the “people in glass houses shouldn’t
throw bricks” saying, I suppose.
I think it might be time we all just try to forget (or forgive) past
transgressions and start clean from this point forward (which means both the
referenced two year old thread *and* the whole Eric mess). It may be the only
way to begin getting Lugnet back to a more friendly environment.
Jeff
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| Hi Jeff, --SNIP-- (...) Thanks. You've summed up almost exactly what I meant much better than I did.... with one slight exception: the above statement is not strictly true. While it was a secondary intent it was certainly not my primary intent to (...) (18 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) You know, I had a big reply I was about to post, but that I thought of what (URL) Suz said:> "Know when to drop it. Some people have a difficult time quitting arguments. Either they're afraid of losing face, they insist on having the last (...) (18 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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