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Re: polygyny in "biblical times"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:12:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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If the Church wants to put quantifiers on that contract, i.e. one person
must be female, and the other must be male, all the power to the church.
The state, o nteh other hand, cannot make such a quantifier ‘cause it’s
sexual discrimination.
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So are public restrooms. Are you against separating those?
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I recognize that the law requires boys to pee in one place and girls to pee in
another, but I can’t really think of a solid reason that this should be so,
other than because people can be quaintly immature about functions involving the
extretory and/or genitive organs of the body.
You may note, for example, that the port-o-potties at many fairgrounds and
campsites are not gender-specific, so there’s obviously nothing inherent in the
booth/stall itself.
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I don’t recall the church, in general, getting their knickers in a bunch
when athiests started getting married. I have many friends who are athiests
and who are married (even married in churches! *gasp*!)
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For what possible reason? That is downright strange.
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Speaking as an atheist who married an atheist, the reason is simple. Our
families are not atheist and expressed strong reservations about the propriety
of our godless union, but neither my wife nor I was comfortable with the
hypocrasy we’d be perpetrating by chanting our vows in a church. Instead, we
enlisted the services of the local JOP who performed a lovely and brief
ceremony, though to my surprise he snuck a God-reference in at the end. No big
deal, AFAIC.
Many atheists, I suspect, get married in churches for much the same reasons.
Family members do not respect the atheist’s view, and the atheist decides to
placate the family by going through the motions, possibly because an hours-worth
of lip service is less inconvenient than 50 years of “you should have gotten
married in a church.”
Similarly, many atheists have their children christened in some way.
On the other side of the coin, I would not be comfortable getting married in or
otherwise partaking of the sacraments of a church because I find that my
participation would be disrespectful to those who sincerely believe in the power
of those functions.
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People are morally rudderless; the Church is the moral anchor.
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The church is a moral anchor for some, but not the moral anchor for all.
If you’d only respect the notion that some people do not wish to be forced to
pray at your altar, then we’d all be a lot better off.
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That’s the very nature of separation of church and state.
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As far as the Church is concerned, the state doesn’t enter in to it.
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How nice for the church. Legally, the church doesn’t really enter into it in
any inviolable way, either. Clergy are deputized by the state to solemnize the
entry into marital contract, but that’s not inherent in the law. The state
could, if it chose to do so, revoke the clergy’s power to perform this legal
solemnization. The clergy could still perform sectarian services, but these
would not be legally binding.
Dave!
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| "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:I15rpI.1v7n@lugnet.com... (...) pee in (...) so, (...) involving the (...) in the (...) I'm with you on this one. I visited a dorm at MIT that had a co-ed bathroom, that had multiple stalls (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) How many persons? (...) So are public restrooms. Are you against separating those? (...) For what possible reason? That is downright strange. (...) Well, that "church" has some issues. (...) lol "evolution of society"? Are you so sure our (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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