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Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
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Tue, 4 May 2004 20:54:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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Meoli sent the following essay and photos
via e-mail to friends and relatives back home, and he gave The • Inquirer
permission to print them because of his belief that the “liberal • media”
are misreporting the progress of the war and U.S.-Iraqi • relations.
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Not the “liberal media” again!
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You do know that it is a matter of public record that slightly • over 80
percent of American journalists are registered Democrats right?
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I’m not sure how relevant that is (if true).
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Its relevant because most printed editorials in my local papers are • liberal
propaganda.
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Your comment sounds more than a little subjective.
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I’d imagine it’s the view of the
editor and owner that hold sway. Remember, every-single-one of • Rupert
Murdoch’s 50+ papers supported the war... he also owns Fox News.
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Yup, that is a good source of conservative propaganda.
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So we agree that your country’s main TV news source is not liberal?
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The right
leaning nature of the media (TV, newspapers & radio) in the USA is • a fact.
- How many left-wing radio stations are there?
- How many right-wing radio stations are there?
- Is Rush Limbaugh a registered Democrat?
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See overall the media is dead center. That is why liberals think it • is right
wing biased and why conservatives think it is leftwing biased.
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So what is your point? Does the media have a liberal bias or not?
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Was it them who hid the WMD from George?
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You also know that John Kerry in early 2002 (and Bill Clinton when • he was
president) are both on record as stating that sooner or later • America would
have to deal with Saddam and his WoMD. Either way I have said it • before I
will say it again, that should not have been the reason for going • there in
the first place.
People die in war.
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Are you condoning these actions?
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No.
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Good.
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See, what do Iraqis fighting the US, US soldiers who abuse Iraqi
prisoners, and Catholic Priests who abuse children all have in • common? They
are all statistically insignificant minorities who cause great harm • to a few
individuals and undermine the progress/postions of the respective • groups to
which they belong.
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Wow; this sounds just like ‘Nam! When will the helicopters evacuate the embassy?
Reports suggest that the abuse of Iraqis may be
institutionalised.
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The real question is whether their deaths are in vain,
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Wrong. The real question is: where are the WMD?!
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As the US lost track of an Atomic Warhead for a few decades and only • found it
by accident while digging a new foundation in a military base (a • story posted
by Dave! a while back, I am sure you could search for it easy • enough) I have
no doubt that it could be a century or two before enough of Iraq is • dug up to
know for certain. The point being is that the intellegence, while it • may very
well have been false, was not intentionally fabricated to support • the war as
some liberal propaganda would have us belive.
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Really?
Bush on 911 to Richard Clarke: “go back over everything, everything.
See if
Saddam did this. See if he’s linked in any way.”
Richard Clarke: “But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this”
Bush: “I know, I know, but ... see if Saddam was involved. Just
look. I want to know any shred”
WMD or not, Bush wanted Iraq.
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After all, as I already stated,
even Clinton when president, was on record as saying sooner or later • the US
would have to deal with Saddam and his WoMD.
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The UN was dealing with him; Blix was doing a great job.
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as
the media would have us belive, or if our grandchildrens children • will
actually have a chance at growing up in true peace for the first • time in
human history because of their sacrifices.
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Show me how this “war” has reduced the risk to you or your • “grandchildrens
children”.
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I note you have NO ANSWER TO THIS!
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The people making the real sacrifice are the Iraqis.
Yeah, they actually have a chance at freedom for the first time • since Saddam
overthrew the Democracy from an elected position 30 some odd years
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ago.
…yep, and Washington helped him every step of the way. Now Bush has
installed his own puppets.
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Of course there are still a lot of
countries whose leaders treat their people as cattle rather than • humans. I
can’t figure out why people think true peace will ever exist with • a
dictorship.
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Is Saudi Arabia a dictatorship? Egypt? Bush supports them both!
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(Of all the crap, as with any politician, coming out of Dubbya’s
mouth at least he understands that.)
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So why is he funding the Uzbekistan security service (who boil • people
alive)? Why does he support Saudi Arabia & Israel? What was he • doing in
Venezuela and Haiti?
Search google for “Venezuela bush coup”…
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Very good you have pointed out what will really cause us to • inevitably lose
the war on terror.
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Thank you!
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Peace with a dictatorship is a farce, and in my opinion
condeming the people of those countries to a fate worse than if we • simply
wiped those countries off the map. Of course I realize that you • think I am a
“looney” for beliveing that a slave’s exsistence is worse than death • and that
nuking a country is better than allowing its people to suffer a • dictator’s
rule.
-Mike Petrucelli
P.S. Trivia question: How many Veitnamese civilians were slaughtered • by the
Viet-Cong within the 2 weeks after US troops withdrew from the • country at the
end of the Vietnam War?
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I have no idea. Is it more than the >3,000,000 killed by
Washington in S Vietnam/SE Asia? Care to estimate how many of them were
civilians?
By 1965 the Washington’s (The Pentagon Papers) stated aims in Vietnam were:
- 70% Avoid defeat
- 20% Keep S Vietnam out of China’s hands
- 10% Help the people of S Vietnam “enjoy a better, freer way of life”.
Don’t be fooled, the Vietnam war was not about “freedom”.
Trivia Q for you:
S Vietnam’s elected leader was President Diem. Which superpower had him killed
when it looked like he’d opt for peace with N Vietnam?
Scott A
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