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RE: A new scan for 371 (fake?)
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Sun, 21 May 2000 22:51:42 GMT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon D Hayward [mailto:JonDHayward@BlueYonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 9:34 AM
> To: lugnet.general@lugnet.com
> Subject: Re: A new scan for 371 (fake?)
Appologies for this not threading...bad mail server at work [MS Exchange]
>
> And here's my 7 cents (I've a lot to say!):
>
> Whytcross, Benjamin <BWhytcro@pacificaccess.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1D0812CAE3E7D2118BCD00805FA76DEB022A4D04@gw-exg-ne01.paci
> ficaccess.com.
> au...
> > 1) Step 1 uses a 2x2 corner plate, which I don't believe • were available
> > then. [It is also shown as a 2x2 plate here]
> > 2) In step 2 this piece changes shape into 2 2x1's
>
> It's a 2x2 plate attaching to the top of the motor step. Poor quality
> drawings...
Fair enough...Very bad quality drawing though, I'd agree.
> > 3) Step 4 apparently uses a 2x3 plate with center pin for helicopter • rotor,
> > but it wouldn't be possible to attatch this piece here
>
> That's just a plate with a 1x1 cylinder on it. Poor quality again...
Agreed
> > 4) The sleeper cab on the truck changes width between steps • (step 2 and 3
> > there are 2 3x2 cab halves, step 4 there are 2 3x3 halves • [look at the
> > section added in step 2, then at the same saction in step • 3, and then in
> > step 4.]
>
> Steps 2 and 3 show a pair of 2x3 plates on top. Step 4
> includes an extra
> layer of plates which fill the gap, giving a total area of 6x3.
I'd like to question this...If you look at the level with the windows, the
cab on the left goes from a 2xX piece to a 1xX with a 2xX next to it, and a
1xX piece inserts itself next to the right-hand cab.
>
> > 5) The colour change from blue to white on the 2 2x8 bricks
> between steps
> 6
> > and 7 [I know this did occasionally happen, but not
> generally over the
> whole
> > of a piece this size. Generally it only happened on small • sections of a
> > part.]
>
> The photo suggests blue. I'll go for that 8-)
Point taken...Just noticed 1x6 brick near back of cab [step 4], compared to
the photo.
> Take a look at 2126, the recent train wagon set... now tell
> me that all
> those are fake too!
>
> > 6) The inclusion of instructions for self-steering
> models...WHY? There
> were
> > no steering parts used in the model, so why bother adding • instructions for
> > their use?
>
> Because it's a "Motorized Truck Set", i.e. it contained
> enough parts to make
> the 2 trucks shown! Bit like 310 really ;-)
Sorry...I'm not too knowledgeable about samsonite/US only sets, as we in
Australia only get european sets [in a very limited range].
> ----
>
> Some other points (or 'replies to too many other messages') -
>
> My guess is that it was produced solely by Samsonite...
> American spelling
> and American prototypes (the semi, the bus and the dumper - not at all
> European). As such, I'd suggest that Samsonite attempted to
> produce their
> own drawings in this instance, but they weren't up to the usual LEGO
> standards.
>
> Sets of this era _did_ use a lot of small plates :-)
>
> The 1x3 plate in step 1 is actually a 2x3 plate which fits
> under the motor
> for added strength - the exhaust _won't_ fall off.
>
> Tubeless clear 1x2s existed early on in Cellulose Acetate,
> but they probably
> weren't really used in this set - that's just a short cut in
> the drawings.
>
> The battery box was meant to be hand held. How else would you control
> forwards and backwards? OTOH, the set might not have had been
> supplied with
> a battery box (yes, I know that one is pictured, but 'extras'
> sometimes
> are): the early tall motor was designed with the Ever Ready
> (is that brand
> known world wide?) 4.5v spring terminal battery in mind.
>
> The semi is not one of the standard type of early steerable
> trucks, so it
> doesn't need to follow the convention for the grille, etc.
>
> The better quality of the wrecker pictures is because they
> were originally
> produced by LEGO in Europe, then Samsonite would have been
> allowed to take a
> copy.
>
> 6x12 plates were probably used in place of 6x24s to give a
> better range of
> options for the alternate models.
>
> ----
>
> The only bit I'm confused about is that fifth wheel
> arrangement. When did
> 4x4 turntables arrive though? Is it possible that this set
> dates from 1966
> (first year for the motor IIRC), and the turntable didn't
> arrive until after
> the set was released? Dunno...
The 4x4 turntable is shown in the 1965 UK catalogue [page 3] on Brickshelf.
I'd assume that it was available to samsonite as well.
> ----
>
> Has anyone tried to build it yet? I have the motor next to
> me... I have a
> box of small plates... the other bits I need are out in the
> garage... best I
> get on with it then, eh? ;-)
>
> ----
>
> Just Jono .oO
Benjamin Whytcross
BWhytcro@PacificAccess.com.au
Ph: (03) 9856 5282
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