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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:20:26 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Mark Neumann wrote:
   Friends, Welcome to my building arena!

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So I’ve been doing a little building this week, and have come up with a few ideas.

I figured quite a few people would be using those exoforce/knight’s kingdom joints, and I wanted to do something a little more challenging:



I’ve wanted to make a worm gear frame for some time, so I have been playing around with various gear combos, trying to make them small but strong. As they are now, they’re pretty generic, and can either be used in a quadraped frame or a biped frame.

One nice thing to come out of this project is that I found a nice way to eliminate the slop in worm gears:



The concept is similar to a techique described by Brian Cooper in his teknomeka instructions, but this uses different parts, and is a little more compact (I think).

Unfortunately, I’m running short on parts and time, and next Friday I have to leave town for a while on business, so whatever I don’t finish by then won’t get done. But I’ll see what I can do!

Later,

Chris

   
         
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:31:17 GMT
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Chris!

AMAZING! DROOL FAKTOR!

WOW!

e

   
         
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Mark Neumann wrote:
   Friends, Welcome to my building arena!

snip

So I’ve been doing a little building this week, and have come up with a few ideas.

I figured quite a few people would be using those exoforce/knight’s kingdom joints, and I wanted to do something a little more challenging:



I’ve wanted to make a worm gear frame for some time, so I have been playing around with various gear combos, trying to make them small but strong. As they are now, they’re pretty generic, and can either be used in a quadraped frame or a biped frame.

One nice thing to come out of this project is that I found a nice way to eliminate the slop in worm gears:



The concept is similar to a techique described by Brian Cooper in his teknomeka instructions, but this uses different parts, and is a little more compact (I think).

Unfortunately, I’m running short on parts and time, and next Friday I have to leave town for a while on business, so whatever I don’t finish by then won’t get done. But I’ll see what I can do!

Later,

Chris

That looks awesome Chris.

Recently, I’ve been looking over your BS joint tech folder for ideas. You’re the only builder I know who has dedicated himself to creating compact geared joints. Hopefully, one day I will incorporate some of your ideas into my mecha!

Can’t wait to see what you come up with next!

Mladen Pejic

    
          
      
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:14:47 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Mladen Pejic wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Mark Neumann wrote:
   Friends, Welcome to my building arena!

snip

So I’ve been doing a little building this week, and have come up with a few ideas.

I figured quite a few people would be using those exoforce/knight’s kingdom joints, and I wanted to do something a little more challenging:



I’ve wanted to make a worm gear frame for some time, so I have been playing around with various gear combos, trying to make them small but strong. As they are now, they’re pretty generic, and can either be used in a quadraped frame or a biped frame.

One nice thing to come out of this project is that I found a nice way to eliminate the slop in worm gears:



The concept is similar to a techique described by Brian Cooper in his teknomeka instructions, but this uses different parts, and is a little more compact (I think).

Unfortunately, I’m running short on parts and time, and next Friday I have to leave town for a while on business, so whatever I don’t finish by then won’t get done. But I’ll see what I can do!

Later,

Chris

That looks awesome Chris.

Recently, I’ve been looking over your BS joint tech folder for ideas. You’re the only builder I know who has dedicated himself to creating compact geared joints. Hopefully, one day I will incorporate some of your ideas into my mecha!

Can’t wait to see what you come up with next!

Mladen Pejic

Thanks! I’ve always suspected that the main .mecha worm gear builders were exploiting the gears to create the largest mecha the gears could support. After playing with a teknomeka frame, I discovered that there is a huge amount of articulation that is never seen once the armor is added. A smaller, but rigid frame may support a skin and still be super-posable. I guess I’ll find out soon enough...


Later,

Chris

    
          
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:47:23 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Mladen Pejic wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
  
I figured quite a few people would be using those exoforce/knight’s kingdom joints, and I wanted to do something a little more challenging:

Oh, I thought about doing a gear driven Mecha but then I realized that I only had a month to complete the project. Awesome start. Good luck!

  
Recently, I’ve been looking over your BS joint tech folder for ideas. You’re the only builder I know who has dedicated himself to creating compact geared joints. Hopefully, one day I will incorporate some of your ideas into my mecha!

Can’t wait to see what you come up with next!

I too am working on another wormgear driven Mecha project and have loved borrowing ideas from your folder. Thanks.

Brian

   
         
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:17:56 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
In lugnet.build.mecha, Mark Neumann wrote:
[Friends, Welcome to my building arena!]¬

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Later,

Chris

Thanks for sharing. Those gears are so awesome.

Hope you find the time to finish!

Marco

   
         
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:00:47 GMT
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That new anti slop technique is great! Nice and compact. I didn’t notice those knobby things weren’t an “even” height. Technic has inexplicable oddities. (I’d still like to know why the worm gears are too short in the first place. It’s a subtle torment.)

K

    
          
     
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Brian Cooper wrote:
   That new anti slop technique is great! Nice and compact. I didn’t notice those knobby things weren’t an “even” height. Technic has inexplicable oddities. (I’d still like to know why the worm gears are too short in the first place. It’s a subtle torment.)

K

You got me thinking a lot about anti slop techniques after checking out your ankle joint on Teknomeka. I used to just chop up technic corrugated tubing to eliminate slop in worm gears...but Sophie would call that cheating...so I’ve decided to take the “pure” route...

We complain about the slop from worm gears being too short, but there’s also the axle flexibility and the lack of a perfect fit between the 8 tooth gears and the worms...there are all sorts of “subtle torments” in technic...

   
         
   
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Mark Neumann wrote:
   Friends, Welcome to my building arena!

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Some more progress pics (after moderation):

frame 1 frame 2

The black frame was hijacked for a future bipedal project, so I built this frame after an order of 20 worm gears came in from Pitsco. I’ve used 18 in this model so far. The joints aren’t really realistic for a quadraped, but they serve their purpose.

The geared turntable should provide clearer views for those who were dissatisfied with previous pics of the top of the turntable.

I am not sure what the final form of this mecha will be, but it will be a less literal interpretation of the source picture than, say, Brian Cooper’s phase one model. I am sure there will be at least some exposed gears. I like the exposed technic look - gears look like mechanical muscle tone to me...lots of detail to see. Besides, this project has been an excuse to experiment with new worm gear techniques...it would be a shame to hide them all...

Later,

Chris

   
         
   
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Re: Welcome to the Building Arena, IRON MECHA
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Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:21:03 GMT
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Great articulation. Everything is wormed. It should be able to do some unusual poses that not even the one in the example picture could do, since its legs look like they just have the equivalent of a ball joint at the hip.

I like how you did the knee, joining the lower leg to the worm frame directly. I’ve never tried it that way.

The rotation joint above the knee might be a weak point since it isn’t locked together vertically. I can see how it might pull apart.

I’m not sure what will happen if you double or triple the weight. Better be careful to keep it light.

Remember that the heels take some of the load off, so you might want to add them before you decide that some particular joint is too weak.

K

 

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