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Having designed a model in CAD and before I owned the part I assumed that the
hollow studs on the top of 1 x 4 x 5 windows
would allow
the small pins on the bottom of 1 x plates and bricks
to be placed on
the stud, giving a half stud offset similar to when using, for example, technic
beams.
How wrong I was! I think the hole is too small, anyway if you’re thinking of
doing it, don’t!
Tim
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In lugnet.build, Tim David wrote:
> Having designed a model in CAD and before I owned the part I assumed that the
> hollow studs on the top of 1 x 4 x 5 windows would allow the small pins on
> the bottom of 1 x plates and bricks to be placed on the stud, giving a half
> stud offset similar to when using, for example, technic beams.
> How wrong I was! I think the hole is too small, anyway if you're thinking of
> doing it, don't!
Huh! In trying this with 67 windows of my own, I find:
- 8 windows have solid studs and won't ever work (7 black, 1 white)
- 4 windows worked just fine (4 white)
- 55 didn't work as you said (27 grey, 14 black, 6 white, 7 new grey, 1 pastel
blue)
Since some were in new grey, I can only assume that these are the more recent
window molds, and (probably) that the solid-stud versions are the oldest.
Since it seems like a silly change to make the molds NOT work, when they're
obviously intended TO work, I wonder if they've never remolded this piece, and
the newer varieties of ABS simply don't quite work with the old mold as well as
they once did?
On a similar note, nearly the opposite is true for 1x4 technic rack pieces. The
old style had solid little "plate pins", whereas the new ones have hollow ones.
However, the NEW "plate pins" are too small to fit snugly with hollow studs! And
no, the 1x4 technic rack's pins *don't* fit with the 1x4x5 window hollow studs.
DaveE
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In lugnet.build, David Eaton wrote:
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In lugnet.build, Tim David wrote:
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Having designed a model in CAD and before I owned the part I assumed that the
hollow studs on the top of 1 x 4 x 5 windows would allow the small pins on
the bottom of 1 x plates and bricks to be placed on the stud, giving a half
stud offset similar to when using, for example, technic beams.
How wrong I was! I think the hole is too small, anyway if you’re thinking of
doing it, don’t!
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Huh! In trying this with 67 windows of my own, I find:
- 8 windows have solid studs and won’t ever work (7 black, 1 white)
- 4 windows worked just fine (4 white)
- 55 didn’t work as you said (27 grey, 14 black, 6 white, 7 new grey, 1 pastel
Since some were in new grey, I can only assume that these are the more recent
window molds, and (probably) that the solid-stud versions are the oldest.
Since it seems like a silly change to make the molds NOT work, when they’re
obviously intended TO work, I wonder if they’ve never remolded this piece, and
the newer varieties of ABS simply don’t quite work with the old mold as well
as they once did?
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Hi,
I noticed the same fact at the Bracket 1 x 2 - 1 x 4:
It seems to appear only at the newer parts of this type, which have the parts
number in it.
The older parts have no parts number, but the LEGO© sign.
The problem seems not to appear in every four holes but in every case in the
right two holes.
Theese holes are not deep enough to take the whole pin of a
plate or tile.
I think the molding form is too much used, so that more ABS goes
in the form and causes the too small hole.
I hope you understand what I mean,
English is not my mother language.
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On a similar note, nearly the opposite is true for 1x4 technic rack pieces.
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Please, what part do you mean exactly?
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The old style had solid little “plate pins”, whereas the new ones have hollow
ones. However, the NEW “plate pins” are too small to fit snugly with hollow
studs! And no, the 1x4 technic rack’s pins *don’t* fit with the 1x4x5 window
hollow studs.
DaveE
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Regards Ronald
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In lugnet.build, Ronald Borchert wrote:
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In lugnet.build, David Eaton wrote:
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On a similar note, nearly the opposite is true for 1x4 technic rack pieces.
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Please, what part do you mean exactly?
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The old style had solid little “plate pins”, whereas the new ones have
hollow ones. However, the NEW “plate pins” are too small to fit snugly with
hollow studs! And no, the 1x4 technic rack’s pins *don’t* fit with the 1x4x5
window hollow studs.
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I can confirm this is the case - the new hollow ones have no gripping power at
all when used in hollow studs.
ROSCO
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I noticed the same fact at the Bracket 1 x 2 - 1 x 4:
It seems to appear only at the newer parts of this type, which have the parts
number in it.
The older parts have no parts number, but the LEGO© sign.
The problem seems not to appear in every four holes but in every case in the
right two holes.
Theese holes are not deep enough to take the whole pin of a
plate or tile.
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Thank you for that information, I will have to look out for that.
Tim
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In lugnet.build, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.build, Tim David wrote:
> > Having designed a model in CAD and before I owned the part I assumed that the
> > hollow studs on the top of 1 x 4 x 5 windows would allow the small pins on
> > the bottom of 1 x plates and bricks to be placed on the stud, giving a half
> > stud offset similar to when using, for example, technic beams.
> > How wrong I was! I think the hole is too small, anyway if you're thinking of
> > doing it, don't!
>
> Huh! In trying this with 67 windows of my own, I find:
>
> - 8 windows have solid studs and won't ever work (7 black, 1 white)
> - 4 windows worked just fine (4 white)
> - 55 didn't work as you said (27 grey, 14 black, 6 white, 7 new grey, 1 pastel
> blue)
>
> Since some were in new grey, I can only assume that these are the more recent
> window molds, and (probably) that the solid-stud versions are the oldest.
>
> Since it seems like a silly change to make the molds NOT work, when they're
> obviously intended TO work, I wonder if they've never remolded this piece, and
> the newer varieties of ABS simply don't quite work with the old mold as well as
> they once did?
>
> On a similar note, nearly the opposite is true for 1x4 technic rack pieces. The
> old style had solid little "plate pins", whereas the new ones have hollow ones.
> However, the NEW "plate pins" are too small to fit snugly with hollow studs! And
> no, the 1x4 technic rack's pins *don't* fit with the 1x4x5 window hollow studs.
>
> DaveE
Thanks for the research. After some deliberating and opinion asking on
www.brickish.org I decied to drill out the four windows I need to work this way.
My first modded parts! My reasoning was that, as you said, some of the windows
available do work in this way so I was just creating some of them. It does seem
silly that they don't all work like this (ignoring the solid stud ones) when
they look like they are designed to do so.
Tim
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