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In lugnet.general, David Shifflett wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Johannes Koehler wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for revitalising an aged thread...
> > >
> > > In lugnet.books, Frank Filz wrote:
> > > > The guide is intended to only list official LEGO sets (I don't think it even
> > > > lists the various official, but non-set items).
> > >
> > > The main problem with the database probably is its strict limitation to numbers.
> > > While I like set numbers and actually prefer them over set names (because
> > > numbers are universal while names differ from country to country) this
> > > limitation is not entirely helpful.
> > >
> > > There _are_ sets without a number. For example there are some Weetabix sets from
> > > the early Seventies that are without a doubt official sets but don't have the
> > > slightest sign of an official set number. Those are - naturally - missing in the
> > > database. It's obvious why: There is nothing to base a database search on, no
> > > name, no number. Still, sets like these _should_ be in the database, if need be
> > > with a self-invented name like "weetabix-xyz". I don't know, though, if besides
> > > those Weetabix sets other sets (models) exist that came without a number,
> > > meaning my "for example" was a bit upbeat...
> > >
> > > Additionally I think everything set-like containing official LEGO elements is
> > > worthy to get incorporated in the database. I'm speaking of stuff that's in the
> > > "Gear" category in the Bricklink database, for example keychains (some are in
> > > the Lugnet database already), picture frames that contain minifigures and
> > > bricks, small polybags with an assortment of bricks for promotional purposes,
> > > tabletop games, watches/clocks and the like. Some of these items come with a
> > > barcode number that would suffice for a set number, some even have an official
> > > name at Shop-at-Home.
> > >
> > > I would not like to see incorporated items that already come glued (like i.e.
> > > glued roses you can get at the Legolands or pre-glued sculptures). Just as
> > > little I'd incorporate other Legoland stuff like those foam swords and shields
> > > (unless they come _with_ regular LEGO sets) or clothes like Harry Potter capes
> > > for kids and baseball caps, nor coffee cups, stickers, pencils and other writing
> > > utensils and the like. Basically everything that doesn't include any "real" LEGO
> > > falls in this category. If items in this category _come_ with a number that's
> > > identifiable as a set number (no barcode, no combination of letters and numbers)
> > > they have to be classified as sets of course. For example the number of the
> > > current Knights' Kingdom Chess Set doesn't qualify as a "set number" because it
> > > is G678. Yet it may be used in the database since we don't have anything better.
> > > In case of this Chess set I would label it a "set" anyway because it comes with
> > > real LEGO elements (unglued figs) (see above).
> > >
> > > So much for my idle talk.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bye
> > > Jojo
> > THIS REPLY WENT TO ADMIN.SUGGESTIONS (where no one can see it from the main post
> > pages), SO I AM REPOSTING IN LUGNET GENERAL.
> >
> >
> > I agree Jojo,
> >
> > There are a few regular Lego sets that have rather strange numbers. The
> > (Denmark Only) education sets of the 1960's are an example. You have "Terapi"
> > sets "I", "II" and "III", and "S/8" sets and "K/12" sets.
> >
> > Gary Istok
>
> I would also like to see non-numbered 'official' sets in the database.
> Your example included the Weetabix sets, but there are other promo
> sets not in the DB. Life Puppet, for instance.
> Also, there are the sets sold through department stores,
> Sears, JCPenney, FAO Schwartz, etc.
>
> dave
Yes Dave is right.
Dave and Eric Strand have been digging up lots of obscure Samsonite sets that
were sold by department stores. As an example a 1969 Sears catalog shows set
#49-C-4418, which is a 335 piece basic set. Not exactly a user friendly set
number. Some of the sets that Dave and Eric have found correspond to existing
sets such as #49-C-44154 is the same as the elusive #371 Truck Set (go check out
the notes in the lugnet set database!).
The earlier Terapi I, II, III sets that I mentioned do have set numbers
(#90-#96). In the 1964 Danish catalog are 2 empty Lego boxes (I misnumbered
them in an earlier post). They are K/24 (an empty 24 partition storage box),
and S/8 (an empty 8 partition storage box). That is the way they are numbered
in the catalog!
Also, some items have a wide variation of different versions, all under the same
number. #238 - the Building Idea Book, is a booklet that TLG came out with from
1960-68. It came out in lots of variations. In some countries it is not even
listed as part number #238. Britain and Australia list it as "Ideas Book No.1",
"Ideas Book No.2" and "Ideas Book No.3". But they are all different versions of
#238. In the United States and Canada (3 versions) it is not listed in any
catalog, and not numbered on the booklet itself. In continental Europe there
are 2 variations available in about 10 different languages (each). Then they
went to an international version without writing, then they changed the booklet
size and style (but still listed as #238 in Danish catalogs). Then they switched
it back to the old size and style but with different pictures. (NOTE: In the
Lego CD #238 takes up half the chapter on Lego idea books.) All told there are
about 30 different variations to this very complex booklet... and it's only 36
pages long! (18 in USA/Canada and Britain/Australia).
And then there are other items such as individual Lego parts that were given an
item number. Two that come to mind are #700/24 and #700/28. These are 2x12 and
2x14 slotted Lego bricks. They were only produced from autumn 1954 until 1956.
And they were NEVER used in any Lego set. If you wanted one, you had to go to
your Danish Lego retailer (back in the 50's) and ask for it. The retailer would
pull out a cardboard box with say 20 of these in them and you would buy one.
These 2 parts are the only early Lego parts that were not available in any set.
And then there are the 1949-65 #700/1 thru #700/6 basic sets. Some of these
were produced in (if you count all the different langauge variations), in at
least 20 different boxes. (And you guys wonder why I am not done with the Lego
CD!!). I call the 1949-65 era the "Lego Mayhem Era"!
Gary Istok
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